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Someone else may own the rights but Joss has thoroughly ingrained the notion that he was the only reason it was successful to both fans and the idiots in charge. Any attempts by Fox or someone else to mess it without his involvement would be met with huge backlash from his devotees, both the fans and the various critics who love him dearly.
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2. If we judge how strongly the fans will hold onto the Joss worship by the number of fan sites currently closing down, then it's a good bet in a few years the Buffy/Joss Only freaks will be far, far less numerous. People do move on and it's really hard work to care about something so unimportant in the grand scheme of things as who first did what. 3. Critics may be surprised that anyone other than Joss would touch a Buffy project, but I would guess they wouldn't pan the idea without seeing the product. They might say, "This won't be your grandmother's Buffy," but I'm guessing they'd give a Jackson or a Tarentino or a Spielberg (insert quality director/producer/writer name here) some slack and be pretty excited about the possibilities of seeing someone else's vision of these characters on screen. |
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2. Again I would disagree, as older fans move on, newer fans are created all the time. 3. This is Hollywood we're talking about. A land where logic need not apply. There's a very good chance any of those people would seek out Joss for his input into their version of his project. It isn't like what happened with Wilder and Burton which was old Hollywood vs. New, this is New Hollywood working with each other on this. |
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1. If they do something sooner (which I have no faith will occur) then you could be right. That is assuming all the elements fall into place: DB/SMG/JM/etc all available; JW willing and available; excellent material that meets everyone's approval. However, I think it far more likely that "later" is more likely to happen. I think it's highly probable Fox would want some time to pass to let the images of SMG, DB, JM, etc. fade in the public's mind before presenting something fresh with this franchise with new faces and a new creative team. 2. Newer fans are created, yes, but not in the numbers that the older fans were and probably not in numbers enough to replace those abandoning ship. Plus, with the constant rerun factor of the franchise on TNT, fans can see all the seasons within a year and see it again and again much faster than we did. They will, I suspect, get burned out quicker and not stick around as long as we have. 3. Exactly. This is Hollywood and having worked there and inside it for years, I can tell you it's not about working "with" somebody to do something creative. That's actor/artist lingo for schmoozing up their next job. It's about working with "anyone" who will do it for the best price and make the most profit. If it doesn't fit in with Fox's budget/vision/profit margin to have Whedon do it (assuming they are on good terms with him and he is their first choice), they will not hesitate to get somebody that will. There are no loyalties there and "artful" only applies to bookkeeping. |
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AT -- Alan Moore's involvement in V is for Vendetta and League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and Hellblazer? NIL.
Buffy IS SMG. Not Joss, not James, but Sarah. That's the face and name people know. A movie that hit the right notes and was marketed the right way could be successful. One without Joss I'd argue. Put say Tim Story or Steve Soderbergh or Steven Greenglass, and critics will love it, because their names are bigger and more respected than Joss. A more light-hearted, FF-type movie would seem a no-brainer. I don't think James or David would work at this point not only because of the aging issue but it would be a vampire not a Buffy movie. JMHO |
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I think Joss will get his Spike movie because no one is going to have the brass to do anything without his input on a movie. It may be this year or next but with all the positive press surrounding the guy not to mention his connections and buddies at Fox (Hello Mrs. Berman), he'll get his way. |
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I just know I'm not willing to see Hilary Duff take SMG's place.
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Im with you on that LaLa. No way Hilary takes SMG's place.
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AT: Yeah, I know about Alan Moore. The only things I really liked was Top Ten and the first arc of League. I couldn't get into the others. Watchmen doesn't age well past the 80's.
But somewhat lurching back on topic, now that DVDs are selling in my supermarket, it's a mass market/commodity deal. Niche will only take you so far with sponsors, and a Buffy movie wouldn't be that TV model at all. Execs know to make their numbers they need someone who can put the most butts in seats and get the impulse buy at Target and Best Buy. That's not Joss. [DVD growth at 3%, Shrek 2 and Sharktales being aggressively remaindered, a cluttered marketplace means more LoTR/Harry Potter style stuff, a lot less Donnie Darko] ETA: I wouldn't discount the horror, the horror, of Hillary Duff as Buffy. Bwahahahaha. |
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