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Yes, it has some logic, but we saw YWCordy giving Angel the vision that made him know who were his enemies and that started the whole events that lead to Not Fade Away and the destruction (even if it wasn't definitive) of W&H.
So, that last part is the one who doesn't fit if YWCordy was not the real Cordy. |
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Early in YW, Cordy hugs Angel and says "Yeah, it's me." It was affectionate, and intended to be taken at face value. The real Cordy was back - granted a temporary pass in this dimension to help Mr. Attention Deficit Action Hero experience his Epiphany (let's hear it, people!) ONE. . . MORE. . . TIME. At the end of YW, Cordy says "this isn't me anymore" - emphasis mine. I think those two lines hook up, the latter closing the temporal loop as Cordy prepares to return to the HRs. [Sidenote: CC wasn't happy with the original story as it had been presented - the screenplay hadn't yet been written - and made ME sweat a bit about both money and storyline before she accepted the deal to reprise Cordy. So YW was written in part to satisfy CC. I doubt she'd be satisfied coming back to play another version of fake Cordy. Plus, YW was ME's one shot at rehabilitating Cordy's character - her demise being a subject they took a great deal of heat for, not just from folks like us, but from fans of the show in general.]
In the second to last episode, we learn that Cordy passed the visions (or 'a' vision) on to Angel. Having seen both episodes again recently, I believe the subtext here is that Angel - through his relationship with Cordelia and others - had become humanized to the point that he could handle the visions without going insane (as was the case in 'Birthday.') There are tons of things wrong with YW - like, what EXACTLY was supposed to kill Angel, the little Texan with his sword? The big Nasty? It wasn't as if Lindsay was unprepared for them. He was waiting for Cordy and Angel to arrive and seals them in the room with him. THEN he tosses Angel across the room so we can break for commercial, a move that commits him to fighting Angel himself and means he can't run to the control panel and let the BN loose. . . however that was supposed to happen (was the lid supposed to pop off, were the panels supposed to slide down, what? Curious repeat viewers demand to know!) It's obvious that the Visions passing idea was tacked on as an opportunistic afterthought much later in the season - because the coma ending vision Cordy has is all about Lindsay and his tatoos and the big fight downstairs. There is no vision of a C/A kiss and no vision of the sexually suggestive light passing between them. Last edited by rolandro; 03-11-2005 at 12:43 PM. |
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Ric, in the commentary to YW on the DVD, Fury says that tons of people have asked why the vision passing (blue light) wasn't seen in YW and his answer was, "Duh! We didn't want to give it away." That smells supsiciously like back peddling to me, but it also makes sense so who knows for sure.
As far as what was supposed to kill Angel, I understood that the tentacle monster in the big vat of doom was specifically designed by the SPs to take Angel out should he fail to stay in line. Lindsey had already set the release of the monster in motion before Angel and Cordy got there with the big, pretty crystal. However, they also made it seem that Cordy pushing the wrong buttons is what actually released the lid, so maybe Lindsey thought it would be a piece of cake to knock Angel out long enough to finish what he started. Or, ya know, he's just a moron. |
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I think in YW, ComaCordy was killed by the Senior Partners so they could whip up their own version of Cordy (as they did with Lilah and Holland before her) to convince Angel to stay with W&H. They basically used Cordy as their dupe in death, and the PTB jumped on that train when the "one-time vision" was suddenly added onto the kiss in whatever episode it was revealed that Whedon needed another deus-ex-machina to get out of another idiotic plot. So basically, YWCordy was a copy created by the Senior Partners, used by them and by the PTB, each to further their own agenda; fate's bitch even in death. Of course, ignoring what Whedon put on-screen, I think it's a far better story if the last time we ever really saw Cordelia was in "Tomorrow."
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Ric I think you just gave A/L slashers some tremblings in the nether regions as well as a new plot bunny.
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I have too severely disagree with the "Cordy in YW was a fake" theory. That was definately Cordy in the purest form in that episode.
People are talking about how Cordy convinced him to stay with W&H after he was considering quitting, but how quickly some seem to forget that it was all part of a plan to get to the core of the company (Black Thorn) and to eventually deal them a harsh blow that would eclipse anything they could have done outside the company. Cordy was there, she was there for the man she loved (Angel), and she got her guy back on track, and nobody can take that away from her. Signed, COB, The Anti-DucKKK |
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[Fanwank] What if the 'vision' 'Cordy' passed on to Angel in YW was a fake? Just suppose that the SP wanted to jump start their apocolypse. Would it be so hard to believe that they'd sacrifice a few of their minions to accomplish that? Considering that W&H is a multi-dimensional, worldwide organization, I find it hard to believe that all of their agents on earth belonged to one, easily killable, group located in the Greater LA metropolitan area. Sure, Lindsey confirmed the existance and purpose of COBT, but that was after he'd been in the custody of the SP for a while. |
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