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Thanks for the updates Kika and Florrie. I too feel bad for people who donated to the other campaign - if I were them, I'd be pretty pissed off at anyone who vouched for the other campaign and warned people against the ST/TDBUK one just because of, I don't know, ship affiliation or something stupid like that.
And Penny? Like a frikkin' elephant. By the way Prima, I always find your posts clever, but maybe I'm just fluent in shorthand.
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07-04-2004, 04:16 PM | #37 |
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It's a shame what some people will do. IMO, this just screws everyone involved with the whole project. It's got to put them in a bad light whether they had any involvement in the unethetical use or not.
Glad I stayed as far away from that thing as possible, even happier that ST had no active (as a communiity) involvment; this just makes everyone involved with that whole organization suspect. I'm not saying that did anything wrong but I'd think they're online names/identites will always be linked with to this. If nothing else no one I've met online suffers from ADD I imagine this will be remembered (although not with as much humor) as the Victoria Bitters of the world. Pity really, then again shit does roll downhill so it's to be expected.
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At least 3 different boards, including people from the other compaign, got in this guy's shit about it (you can check the archives at the Beta Bronze and a forum at Sparklies, it's still there), particularly Alyson, and just about everybody that was effected had their say. How this can effect those connected to saveangel is quite obvious but the damage was done. As for the other one that people like Lisa were part of, savingangel, *nothing* has been said against them and everything - the food drive, blood drive, etc. - people saw it all. So months later, while I *do* get what you are saying, I don't see how suddenly they will be linked to it except for by rumors that those who, to be honest, have no clue whatsoever of what happened and want to be cute for whatever selfish reason saying shit. Since the internet operates like a game of telephone, that would just end up dragging people like Lisa's name through the mud when they did NOTHING wrong.
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In that respect, it usually pays to know what the other person is talking about before one half-cocks both guns and allows a hobby horse to run away with hi/r. Again.
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...And the first step to soooooooooolving the problem is admitting it. Great! Honestly, I haven't donated ANYTHING to ANYBODY. I have had no freaking money, computer problems where even if I had money and thought there was a chance it would be renewed would be afraid to send it. The most I did was send a couple postcards back in the wintertime to support my friend who was mailing them to send out. It would just really suck to see that Lisa who worked hard or Pepper or anybody else like her get crucified in the fandom because a few people want to gossip or hate the campaign or just have nothing better to do. ETA (twice, damn WP)- Quote:
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Okay, do I have to say "Hitler!" now? 'Cause I'll say "Hitler!," if it'll help. Although invoking Snacky's Law would probably make it more interesting.
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Defend SaveAngel.org all you want. Defend Lisa and yourself and say you have no knowledge of what went down and that all of those people that went to other boards and came here to ST had no involvement. That they were just clueless sheep that got screwed over. It doesn't matter b/c people will believe what they hear and repeat what they know. I'm not saying that anyone involved (other then the dude named) has done anything wrong. All I'm saying is that for most people who don't know better. Who weren't there first hand will believe what they want and that is pretty much that. And no offenece but why the hell should I or anyone else believe that they didn't? How do I know you're telling the truth? How do I know that the rumors being spread are false and malicious and that what you, Lisa, and BAfan are saying is true? Now in all honesty I don't know what went down and frankly I don't give enough of a crap about it to spread rumors or to investigate. All I was saying is that when all you know of someone is their online identity then that's all they have in their favor. So if all someone knows you as the person from SA.org who kept coming to their board asking for money and then they find out that the money was used for personal gain rather then what they donated it for, well then for those people you're name might just be mud (right or wrong). Perception is all you have in your favor in an online community and when you're perceived as being involved with something unethtical it doesn't matter what really went down, you're basically screwed. We see this all the time with politicians and celebs. Do you really think that this fandom is somehow above human nature?
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Yes, he lied. Yes, he said bla bla "blood drive", bla bla this and that, it happened awhile ago, I know it, I freaking.watched.it.happen. But you know what didn't happen? SavingAngel, what my friend is a part of, get accused of using money unethically. In fact, they were some of the ones who gave him shit. SavingAngel, that is separate. And if they didn't get accused (SavingAngel) then, then why would they now? Or since the possibility exists that it can (apparently, but the only things I have seen were here), why not do what one can to prevent it now? Just want to nip that in the bud. Quote:
Pepper was the one who organised the ralley, Lisa I believe, is one of the main runners of the site and did the interview some time ago about it. I do not think you are saying that at all. In fact, I agreed with you that it happens like that. However, but if people who weren't there first hand reads this or something else, they will also see who *did* do it and who didn't. Quote:
I didn't think you did care and I don't expect you to. But it was one campaign, *not* the other that my friend was apart of and I wanted to make that clear. Quote:
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A slong as my friends don't look bad and that people know it wasn't them, that is all.
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[bemused]How on earth do you go from "..." to seeing an ungrounded attack on SavingAngel by people confusing it with SaveAngel? [/bemused]
I didn't see anyone, least of all Prima, casting any aspersions on "SavingAngel" as an organization. So who or what exactly are you defending, and why were YOU so quick to jump to what appears to be an ungrounded assumption? For the record, I am fully aware of the fact that SaveAngel does not = SavingAngel. That doesn't mean I find other things or opinions in this thread don't merit comment, even if it is in the form of punctuation.
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