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Old 06-16-2004, 01:04 PM   #31
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Anyone who laughs at Levin leaving the WB needs to look at the facts.

Jordan Levin gave Angel an extra year on the WB when it should have been canceled the year before. Only Levin's personal relationship with Whedon allowed it to go on.

Levin also represents the old gaurd of the WB. With a new head they are going to want to look forward to do new things, not look back. Buffy and Angel are looking back.

So with Levin gone the chances of a new Whedon series on the WB just got worse and the chances of an Angel telefilm are even worse than they were before.

Jordan Levin's departure very well could be the last toss of dirt on the "Buffyverse" coffin.

Do you think Fox, now used to American Idol style ratings (read money) will pick up a show from a guy that never got into the top 20? UPN lost 50+ million on Buffy, think they are going to pick up anything?

Plus I find it more likely that Levin was demoted because he left Angel on the air despite only luke-warm ratings blips (and barely statistically significant ones at that).

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Old 06-16-2004, 01:07 PM   #32
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Honestly, I don't know what anybody expected Levin to do about the rally. Was he suppose to have addressed the crowd? I bet if he had stepped outside to that angry mob, they probably would of lynched the poor guy. Not the safest thing in the world.

Yes, I agree that the network as a whole treated ATS badly, what with the lack of publicity, the time changes, etc., etc. but that's par for the course on network television. Do you guys know how many times they changed the time slot and days for the "Drew Cary Show?" In fact, IMO that show was treated WAY worse than ATS ever was. IT'S series finale after making the network money for eight years is this summer of all things, buried so that the fans hardly know that the show is ending.

However, I AM grateful to the WB that they gave this show the greenlight, especially considering how the majority of shows barely get past the pilot stage is lucky, let alone kept the show on the air for five years, especially when they didn't have to, is a good thing. I got four and half years of the some of the best television I have ever seen. I can't be unhappy about that.
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Old 06-16-2004, 01:08 PM   #33
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Honestly, I don't know what anybody expected Levin to do about the rally.
He could've called the cops. And told them to bring the water cannon.
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Old 06-16-2004, 01:13 PM   #34
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You know what's funny is that in light of this, the SA people want to start a new round of campaigning to get the show back on the air and/or get the TV and/or a new ME spinoff and think that it will be easier and/or that the WB will be more responsive now that Levin is gone.

Frankly, I agree with webwarlock. Levin had a personal relationship with asshat. These new guys? Not so much. IMO it wuold be in everybody's personal interest to move onto new projects, like most of the ME cast and crew have done. They know it, and I kinda wish others would too.
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Old 06-16-2004, 01:14 PM   #35
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You know what's funny is that in light of this, the SA people want to start a new round of campaigning to get the show back on the air and/or get the TV and/or a new ME spinoff and think that it will be easier and/or that the WB will be more responsive now that Levin is gone.
Oh, please. Levin is the only reason it was brought back for a fifth season in the first place.
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Old 06-16-2004, 01:16 PM   #36
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Well Penny, you get that, I get that, but some other people? ....

Hmm..not so much. Heck, even the most gung-ho of the "I will return in heartbeat to my character" actor is now saying that's it time to move on.
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Old 06-16-2004, 01:31 PM   #37
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Canceling a marginal show was not -- no matter how many tens of people gathered under his window to bay about it.
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahaha!

*gasp*

hahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

...

Okay. I'm done.

Anyhoo, agreed. Remember the same guy who was far more magnanimous than most in letting Boreanaz go over to their number one competitor and guest star when there was no benefits to them?

Oh yeah. THAT unresponsive asshole.

ETA: And what Webwarlock said times two.
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Old 06-16-2004, 01:34 PM   #38
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Well since the fans had already contacted the police prior to the rally and got their permission and restrictions, there was nothing legally he could do on that front.

During the first rally, Levin sent an executive downstairs to talk with the fans. He effectively "distracted" them with talk and gifts.

During the second rally, Levin again tried this tactic but the ralliers were prepared. When the same executive tried to state the same facts he had used the last time they had already done their homework and were able to accurately counter his comments. And eventually they ignored him all together when he was unable to answer their questions.

The articles in the national newspapers, magazines, and televison did nothing for the image of the network. The fact the affilates were in support of the fans was also not a vote of confidence.

The fact he was unable to handle the situation showed he was not right for the position.
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Old 06-16-2004, 01:37 PM   #39
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Old 06-16-2004, 01:42 PM   #40
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I hate to say this. Wait. No I don't.

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The articles in the national newspapers, magazines, and televison did nothing for the image of the network. The fact the affilates were in support of the fans was also not a vote of confidence.
What coverage. I have to tell you if I was not reading a Buffy/Angel-related board I never would have known any of this was happening.
Never appeared in my newspaper (The Chicago Tribune) until well after it was off the air.

Tempest in a tea pot. This mattered only to a very, very limited few.
And really had very little impact on whether or not Levin was demoted.

"Tarzan", "Birds of Prey", and a bunch of other missteps did it.

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Old 06-16-2004, 01:51 PM   #41
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BA fan, I think that Penny was kidding about the rally. She wasn't accusing the SA campaigners of illegal activity.

Okay, well I got to ask. What comments did the executive put forth? Was he giving the reasons why ATS was cancelled in the first place? And IMO, the fact that a network executive even bothered to talk to the fans was a good thing. Most executives will just ignore people. And not that many affliates IMO were with the fans, because the show wasn't making them money either. The only ones that were only did so AFTER the fact, when the fans wrote into the affliates to complain. Like it was their fault that the show got cancelled and that somehow they could do something to put the show back on the air. Which in actual fact, the affliates have little or no say so on what goes on the boob tube or not.
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Old 06-16-2004, 01:51 PM   #42
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Tempest in a tea pot. This mattered only to a very, very limited few.
Agreed. All one had to do was read the quarterly shareholder reports from Tribune to know that Angel or the Whedonverse as a whole were barely blink worthy but the grab for the 18-34 demographic (they even titled the third quarter report "The Sweet Spot") was paramount.

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And IMO, the fact that a network executive even bothered to talk to the fans was a good thing. Most executives will just ignore people.
Agreed again. He could have sent some flunky out for the unwashed masses yearning to be free for Angel to be renewed, instead he went out himself to be verbally beaten up.

That asshole!
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Old 06-16-2004, 01:54 PM   #43
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For those of you delusional enough to think Angel was even a blip on the radar screen for the WB and Jordan Levin's career, here's a great industry article on why Levin's not in charge.

It's a fairly long article, but a significant quote below indicates that things started brewing in February 2003.

And as others have already said, Angel survived an extra year because of Levin not despite him.

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Observers traced the origins of Monday's WB shake-up back to February 2003, when Kellner exited his post as chairman of Turner Broadcasting System. When Kellner was tapped to head the Turner cable networks in early 2001, corporate oversight of the WB Network shifted from Warner Bros. to TBS along with Kellner. When Kellner prepared to depart TBS two years later, sources said he personally promised Levin that he would be promoted to CEO.

But once the WB returned to Meyer's portfolio at Warner Bros. after Kellner's departure from TBS, Meyer is said to have been uncertain about whether Levin was up to the task and thus pushed to bring Ancier (who had been working with Kellner at TBS) back in the chairman's role.

After giving the Ancier-Levin management structure a try this season, sources said it gradually became clear to Meyer and Bruce Rosenblum, who oversees day-to-day WB Network activities in his capacity as Warner Bros. Television Group executive vp, that a change had to be made.

Ancier, whose resume includes stints as head of programming at Fox and NBC as well as the WB, got the nod in light of his broader experience, sources said.

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Old 06-16-2004, 01:56 PM   #44
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What webwarlock said. I never once heard a thing about them except for what got linked here. Not on any local or national news coverage, not in my paper, nada.

And just for the record, I personally believe at least some of the Levin hate stems from the belief that he and he alone prevented BtVS/AtS crossovers immediately after the UPN move. And that, of course, caused C/A and B/S to happen. And that's the only reason they happened. No, really.

Geez louise, leave it alone already. AtS was an aging, expensive show with less than stellar ratings and a cast and crew who were ready to move on. Let it DIE, already.

Or, you know, get over it.
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What webwarlock said. I never once heard a thing about them except for what got linked here. Not on any local or national news coverage, not in my paper, nada.
Well, you have to understand. This is from the same mindset that believes that Buffy was good for UPN.
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