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Old 08-06-2005, 05:50 PM   #1
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B/A dilemma

Okay I finally broke down and bought the Buffy DVDs well season 1-2 anyway
and rewatching the eppys I'm toattly falling in love again with their sweeping tragic romance. I'm shipping the B/A and I don't know whether to be happy about it or not. I'm a diehard C/A shipper well because their relationship was built on maturaity, friendship, trust etc... but B/A have that soulmate thing that I'm totally buying. Anyone else find themselves torn between B/A & C/A?
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Old 08-06-2005, 06:07 PM   #2
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Not me. I was never a B/A 'shipper. I don't believe in soulmates, I believe in people meeting and developing trust and love over time, and developing a bond based on that. I don't believe two people can just belong together because they just do. I believe two people can belong together because they make each other better, happier people. And I never saw that as the case with B/A.
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Old 08-06-2005, 06:55 PM   #3
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sure, they're soulmates, she's a sadist, and he's a masochist,
they belong together
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Old 08-06-2005, 07:01 PM   #4
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I never liked B/A. It was fake, unnatural and melodramatic.

Plus, I can't stand Buffy.
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Old 08-06-2005, 07:03 PM   #5
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I've never been "torn" between them. I liked B/A in its day when they were just starting out. It was, for me, a high school, lusty romance - kind of the cheerleader/jock thing - where you dated the one you thought you should date but eventually it goes wrong and you move on. It lost all its charm for me by S3 when it was no longer about being together but about how not to be together. So I accept B/A because everyone has a first love, but despite the soulmate/destiny stuff they were trying to sell me, I never bought it.

When C/A came along, I was hooked and still am.
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Old 08-06-2005, 07:11 PM   #6
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What Deb Said.™

Mostly. I bought into the soulmate thing during season 1, found it heartbreaking and tragic during season 2, then became thoroughly and totally weary with the melodrama during season 3. I thought broody was the only note DB could play and was heartily glad to see him (and Angel) move on so the show could FINALLY get past all that and get on with good showmaking again. My, how that worm turned a few eps in.
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Old 08-06-2005, 08:24 PM   #7
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Most of the couples I went to high school with had that same type of mentality that they were soulmates. However, very few of them actually lasted. I don't buy into Buffy and Angel being soulmates. Were they each others first loves? Yes. I'm sure they thought they were soulmates at the time. However, because neither had been in love before, they really didn't have anything to compare it too.

I didn't like that they threw them together so quickly. To me, they should have built it up more. Instead they were together by what, the fifth episode? In Season three of BTVS and "I Will Remember You", they just went way overboard on the melodrama. It went from being romantic to being nauseating.

I made the comment in one of the fanfics I wrote that Angel figured out that with Cordelia love doesn't have to be all agony and angst, it could actually be a good thing. Angel did so many things with Cordelia that he couldn't do with Buffy. When he was with Buffy, it seemed like all they'd do was sit around talking about how miserable they both were. With Cordelia, he's smiling, laughing, and trading one-liners. When he had a problem, Cordelia would actually listen to him, while Buffy usually turned the discussion back towards herself.

Page down to the tributes section of this website and check out my "Chronicles of Cordelia and Angel" thread. Maybe that'll cure you.
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Old 08-06-2005, 09:20 PM   #8
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If you're a fan of the great 'destined' loves then B/A still works even after all these years... I sort of have a soft spot for it because I can appreciate that type of romance.

My only quibble would be they gave us the romance and the break-up but not the reunion which 99% of those loves have in the end.
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Old 08-06-2005, 10:08 PM   #9
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Old 08-06-2005, 11:09 PM   #10
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Riley and Angel never got back together. That's way more tragic for me.
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Old 08-06-2005, 11:24 PM   #11
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I wouldn't call it a "B/A dilemma", it's just your preference. If you like B/A, that's fine. I wouldn't exactly call you delusional either, 'cause look where that got J.K. Rowling.
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I made the comment in one of the fanfics I wrote that Angel figured out that with Cordelia love doesn't have to be all agony and angst, it could actually be a good thing.
Angel also made a variation of this observation in S3 of AtS. Buffy also made this same observation somewhere in S6-7 BtVS.

My thing is, these two were all "oh, I didn't know love didn't have to be about pain and misery". Okay, WHAT kind of world did you people live in? Love never has to be about pain and misery, what were they, five? As mature and kewl those two pretended to be, they both had the mental capacity of fifteen-year-olds when it came to love.

Honestly, I accepted B/A, but never liked it. It was too drawn out and melodramatic. I preferred C/X and B/R, among others. Buffy and Angel just seemed miserable together, and the only reason they clung to each other was because the other person was just there. Their relationship was based on false hopes, deluded goodness and perfection, and an unheathy dependency.

Meanwhile, what I saw with C/A was the natural, healthy evolution of a relationship that went from co-workers to friends, to something more deep than just "boyfriend/girlfriend". We actually saw Angel being really tender with someone, in a way he just wasn't with Buffy. We actually saw him smiling and amusing himself (hello, hiding the money), and the guy actually became an adult. Of course, this was all destroyed in the mess of S4 and S5, but I digress.
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Old 08-07-2005, 01:26 AM   #12
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I never liked B/A. It was fake, unnatural and melodramatic.

Plus, I can't stand Buffy.
I second that, all of it!!
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Old 08-07-2005, 01:51 AM   #13
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B/A was great the first time I saw it. Romeo & Juliet to the nth degree. A rebound romance with two kids two stupid to live and all that.

But even then, it was clearly the ultimate high school romance. Complete with the denial that life exists after Prom. The expiration date may as well have been stamped on Angel's forehead.

Now when I watch it, you realize how manufactured it was. ME hit just about every cliche in the book to create the great romance. It just doesn't feel as natural or organic when you realize how much of it was staging, lighting, deliberate bad decisions, etc.
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Old 08-07-2005, 05:11 AM   #14
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It was way too overdone. I never bought it. And when you think about it, it's actually really gross that Angel fell in love with Buffy when she was 15 years old.

And I hate Buffy.

And I ship Spike/Buffy.
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Old 08-07-2005, 05:24 AM   #15
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And when you think about it, it's actually really gross that Angel fell in love with Buffy when she was 15 years old.
God, I never really thought about it before, you just made me realise. That's sick. Ew.

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