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Old 08-06-2007, 05:46 PM   #46
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Hate to get serious, but I have to agree that a lot of people don't make the distinction between Cordy and Jasmine-Possessed-Cordy. I know because I found it hard to make the distinction myself.

I think the reason for this is because too much time passed between "Cordy" doing the things she did, and it being revealed that it wasn't really her. So, for weeks, the audience was thinking, "Oh, man. I can't believe Cordy slept with Connor!" and, in some cases, hating her for it. And that way of thinking was so ingrained that, by the time it was revealed that it wasn't actually Cordy, it was too late.

I think the fact that it's still an issue proved that. Just a week or two ago, at another message board, someone was saying they hated Cordy for all the icky/bad things she did in season four. Someone else pointed out, "Well, yeah, but that was Jasmine." And the original poster was like, "Oh, yeah. I always forget about that."

I think that, because of the time that passed before the revelation, some people honestly have a hard time remembering that it was Jasmine doing that stuff. To them, it was Cordy.

I've just been speaking to people about this and none of them say their opinion of her has lessened because there is no reason for them to lessen their opinion.

It's only natural that we doubt because we see. We're human. We're all fools and only believe what we see most of the time. I am a strong believer that it wasn't her and the evidence backs it up but even I think, "How could you Cordelia?" "Why aren't you apologising to Angel when you wake up?" I think and then I remind myself. I still love Cordelia though and I actually love her more for coming out of it so strong and using her last day to help Angel instead of her own problems. There'll always be that hint of doubt, but it makes it no less the truth. Cordelia is innocent.
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Old 08-06-2007, 08:29 PM   #47
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Yeah, I agree, it´s hard to believe that it wasn´t Cordelia who did all those things when that evil creature has her face. People who don´t go on websites and just watch the show on TV (which is very rarely nowadays, I think) don´t have a clue about the whole storyline. After Jasmine was out of her, she was in a coma, so she didn´t get a chance to be herself again. When she came back in "You´re Welcome", she was the old Cordy again, but she was already dead. She should have gotten a chance to be alive as her old self again.
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Old 08-06-2007, 10:55 PM   #48
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I've just been speaking to people about this and none of them say their opinion of her has lessened because there is no reason for them to lessen their opinion.
What, no numbers? Cause before you said you've spoken to, and I quote, "hundreds" of people, and then it was 7/10 and 8/10. I'm just wondering why no numbers this time.

Note: I have no personal interest in this argument, actually. I'm just along for the ride. And the laughs.
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Old 08-07-2007, 04:05 AM   #49
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What, no numbers? Cause before you said you've spoken to, and I quote, "hundreds" of people, and then it was 7/10 and 8/10. I'm just wondering why no numbers this time.

Note: I have no personal interest in this argument, actually. I'm just along for the ride. And the laughs.
Sorry, but I just got to say how damn predictable! No interest in the actual subject matter but only to harangue the pereceived “outsider” - is jeanvic your new target on here Angela? Why not tell her to “piss off” ST rather than make with the underhanded remarks. Oh, but then “it wouldn’t be fun” would it! “In it for the laughs” – what the hell kinda schoolyard behaviour is? Second thoughts, don't really want to know!

And just to add my two pennies worth, I do believe evil Cordy was going to happen irrespective of CC's pregnancy - I hear Joss wanted a Becoming Part 2 style face-off b/w Cordelia and Angel in the finale (because he is a sadist and loves the pain and misery)

The C/C storyline was the writers ill-judged response to CC falling pregnant but I've made my peace with the fact that Season 4 was never going to be pretty - it was dark, twisted and illogical. Doesn't make me happy but I get what the writers were trying to do. Brave, stupid - both?? Who knows! The season alienated some fans but gained the respect of others.
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Old 08-07-2007, 07:35 AM   #50
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I'm sorry--have we met?
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Old 08-07-2007, 08:52 AM   #51
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I think Angela has an enemy. *scared*

For future haranguing, Miela, jean-vic is a boy.

And if you had bothered to read the thread and jean-vics arguments, you might have noticed that he actually did what he always does and turned a complete 180 in his opinion once more than one person disagreed with him. He loves manipulating people into an argument and then backing down and saying he misunderstood or we misunderstood him or the grass is blue and the sky is green.

If I were you, I would at least find out if the person you're planning to defend is worth it.
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Old 08-07-2007, 06:14 PM   #52
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Yeah, and as usual DS has this very strange view of me that no one else other than her friends see of me. Apparently, I back down from arguments and change my mind. Never done it. I leave things alone so I can get a bit of peace from the chattering harpies known as DS and Samsom who see nothing but doom and gloom. I would love to know how old they are and when exactly they are going to grow up. Encouraging someone to have a go at me is so schoolyard DS, and I would expect no less of you actually.

Face it, dearie. You were wrong about this "bad image" of Cordelia, just like your wrong about everything else you say. No one blames her and you should stop being so damn negative about everything. And maybe you should find someone else to have a go at, because I'm not going to stand for it. Here and AO are places I go to talk to other C/A fans about the ship I love, not be harrassed by silly little girls who take some sick pleasure in scapegoating someone who doesn't think exactly like them. Shame that boycott you wanted everyone to have against me at AO failed, eh? Shame your image came off worse for it than mine.

Miela, if you were defending me then I would like to say thank you. I'm glad someone stood up to this fool for once. If you weren't, never mind.

Sorry about being off topic, but I had to vent my annoyance at being harrassed by petty, immature women everywhere I go. Why don't you stick to your words DS and leave me the hell alone in future!
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Old 08-07-2007, 06:21 PM   #53
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Wait a minute, is Fielding back?

Dude! It's like Sock Puppet Theater all over again. Damn, timewarps.
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Old 08-07-2007, 06:48 PM   #54
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Wow! Talk about the good old days!

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Old 08-07-2007, 11:17 PM   #55
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I hope you're all happy now. Who the heck thought it would be a good idea to invoke the name of fielding? I mean, seriously, people. You've brought bad karma to the purple board...
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Old 08-07-2007, 11:56 PM   #56
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Yeah, and as usual DS has this very strange view of me that no one else other than her friends see of me. Apparently, I back down from arguments and change my mind. Never done it. I leave things alone so I can get a bit of peace from the chattering harpies known as DS and Samsom who see nothing but doom and gloom. I would love to know how old they are and when exactly they are going to grow up. Encouraging someone to have a go at me is so schoolyard DS, and I would expect no less of you actually.

Face it, dearie. You were wrong about this "bad image" of Cordelia, just like your wrong about everything else you say. No one blames her and you should stop being so damn negative about everything. And maybe you should find someone else to have a go at, because I'm not going to stand for it. Here and AO are places I go to talk to other C/A fans about the ship I love, not be harrassed by silly little girls who take some sick pleasure in scapegoating someone who doesn't think exactly like them. Shame that boycott you wanted everyone to have against me at AO failed, eh? Shame your image came off worse for it than mine.

Miela, if you were defending me then I would like to say thank you. I'm glad someone stood up to this fool for once. If you weren't, never mind.

Sorry about being off topic, but I had to vent my annoyance at being harrassed by petty, immature women everywhere I go. Why don't you stick to your words DS and leave me the hell alone in future!
I would apologize for having friends on both boards who actually have brains and can see what you are doing, but I won't insult them like that.

It is very rude to ask anyone their age, but I will say if you are as young as I have been told you are, I am old enough to be your grandmother. So my growing up days are far behind me. And it's also very rude to call people names such as harpies. You have skirted on the edge, if not leaped into the abyss, of flaming me on two boards now and I think I've been very mature not to have lowered myself to that level. If, however, that's what you prefer, we can take it to email and I can probably come up with quite a few names you've never heard of. You might learn a thing or two.

And I think we can both agree we are not "dear" to each other, so It would be great if you would refrain from using that chestnut again.

And just why would I "face" a so-called fact that you have not proven? My experience with others on other boards directly contradicts your experience. It also appears that others on this board have had the same experience I have with the Cordy hate and yet no one that I've seen has come to support your opinion with stories of hundreds of Cordy-loving fans. How does *that* prove you right and me wrong? All it proves is that we have different experiences and different opinions.

Jean-Vic, as far as I have seen, you are the only one who believes anything you say. You are free to have an opinion about Ats, BtVS, Cordy, C/A, B/A, S/B, ad infinitum, but you are not free to state any of these "opinions" as facts without backing them up with evidence. I still have not seen the URL to the "online article" wherein Charisma stated she wanted six months off from Ats. Is it, perhaps, in the same place where these hundreds of fair-minded, Cordelia-loving fans live? I wish you'd share URLS and names, because we'd love to live in the land of nod with you.

As far as a boycott of you, once again, you do not have your facts straight. I did not ask people to boycott you. I stated I would try to ignore your posts and you could ignore mine. How is that rallying poeple to boycott you? And when, exactly, did I encourage people to have "a go" at you? You are full of accusations and yet, again, not one shred of evidence.

We are not stupid people here or at AO (and apparently not on the message board about the new Angel comic wherein you antagonized the writer to the point that if there was a chance of Cordelia coming back, you single-handedly destroyed that chance). I'm sorry if being exposed is hurtful to you, but it's not my problem and it only shows your immaturity when you resort to name calling to deflect the fact that you cannot and have not ever provided evidence of one single thing you state. And, btw, please check your definition of nihilist because I do not think it means what you think it means.

Please don't worry about my image. If anything, my challenging of your "facts" has gained me some new respect by some. But if you can prove to me that my image is tarnished, please feel free to share it with us all. I'd hate for this to be just another one of your generalizations that you can't back up.
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Old 08-08-2007, 11:01 AM   #57
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I'm gonna say this once. Once.

You guys know the rules, and if you don't, they're in the FAQ. No personal attacks, and no bringing fights from other boards to this one. Don't make me delete this thread.

Is Penny gonna hafta choke a bitch?

(Wow. I haven't have to whip out the mod-o'-nine-tails in a while. Talk about an acid flashback.)
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Old 08-08-2007, 12:22 PM   #58
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I apologize to you, Penny, and the board. I know how much that mod-o-nine-tails stings. My ignore button is being put to use now.
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Old 08-08-2007, 01:32 PM   #59
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Personally, I blame Minear.

What? His name is on the thread!
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Old 08-08-2007, 01:52 PM   #60
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Personally, I blame Minear.

What? His name is on the thread!
I was just going to blame the heat but your suggestion is way more fun.
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