08-17-2005, 03:35 PM | #481 |
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I agree with everything you said, Penny. Skip Played Cordy, hard. He played on her sense of guilt and he flattered her, telling her what she always wanted, no needed to hear. That there was a purpose, that she could do more, that she was good enough, but the underlying point is still there. She bought into it and made herself a pawn.
Not saying I would be any smarter...
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I always thought that Skip managed to use Angel against Cordy as well. By Birthday, the two had this deep, close relationship (especially one built on trust and love and all that jazz), and Skip knew that Angel would be the last straw, so to speak, in pushing her in the direction the PtB (or Jasmine, rather), wanted her to go.
But if they had planned everything from the get-go, then they knew that Cordy would pick Angel over her health and humanity...this is making my head hurt. Nevermind. Quote:
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It's a long time since I've seen the episodes, but at the time I thought Cordelia's decision to go to the higher realm with Skip was understandable. The last time Cordy had been visited by Skip in Birthday, as far as she knew, the decision she made saved her from the killer visions and Angel from madness.
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The problem is guys, when you have a big mistake/flaw in the writing, trying to elaborate anything based on that is like trying to put a cube in the place where it goes the circle. There's no way. As I said, if Jasmine planned everything, the plan started waaaaaayy before ATS 1, because she needed them, so EVERYTHING that caused the gang be in LA was for Jasmine. And that's ridiculous.
My thought? the writers wanted to make a "oh so clever" twist that only put them in a biiiiig mess. They even said Gunn's speach was the answer to that, like implying even if it was Jasmine's plan, THEY made the choices and not her. Weird and illogic? yes, but it's ME trying to be intelligent. There's no way to understand that episode, specially with what happened on ATS 5 and YW: she was used, the powers didn't do anything and she was still on their side? And the gang reaction towards the new champion Spike? Even if it was all made by Lindsey, they still believed in the Powers? See no sense. So, even if it's a interesting discussion, there's no way we can see any light on this, because it's impossible. All was part of the plan or anything was part of the plan (even Skip and Jasmine said it was planned looooooong time ago) As I said, it's like those test (I don't remember the name and I don't know how to explain it on English): trying to put the wood cube in the circle's place..... |
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I want to echo what Penny said.
When Cordy ascended, I didn't see it as an act guided by hubris, vanity or blind fanatism. I think she was so easily duped, because Skip with his "what you're being called to do transcends love" speech and his "by the way, this is a hidden test" attitude made her feel guilty about wanting to put her romantic life first. She wasn't going to do that again, not after what happened with Connor's abduction. And Cordy expressed she felt she was being punished -- for how she was in high school -- before she received the visions. So I never got the "saint" label -- originated in season 3 --, because, to me, self-awareness is a quality that can be a catalyst to mature. That and learning from past experiences. Unlike with Angel. His big epiphany was the same one he had in "Judgment" and was later forgotten in "Provider" with his "I help you if you pay me first" motto.
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