Whedon off Wonder Woman

[Livvie]

PRAISE JESUS!

That is all I have to say. Now hopefully they will get someone in that won't want to make it Buffy 2.0 and now hopefully, Charisma has a better shot.

http://whedonesque.com/comments/12385

You (hopefully) heard it here first: I'm no longer slated to make Wonder Woman. What? But how? My chest... so tight! Okay, stay calm and I'll explain as best I can. It's pretty complicated, so bear with me. I had a take on the film that, well, nobody liked. Hey, not that complicated.

Let me stress first that everybody at the studio and Silver Pictures were cool and professional. We just saw different movies, and at the price range this kind of movie hangs in, that's never gonna work. Non-sympatico. It happens all the time. I don't think any of us expected it to this time, but it did. Everybody knows how long I was taking, what a struggle that script was, and though I felt good about what I was coming up with, it was never gonna be a simple slam-dunk. I like to think it rolled around the rim a little bit, but others may have differing views.

The worst thing that can happen in this scenario is that the studio just keeps hammering out changes and the writer falls into a horrible limbo of development. These guys had the clarity and grace to skip that part. So I'm a free man.

Well, sorta. There is that "Goners" movie I can finally finish polishing, and plenty of other things in the hopper I've wanted to pursue. I'm as relieved as I am disappointed, and both of those things lead to drink, so that's a plus. Truly, you may be hearing some interesting things brewing in the coming months. But all potential jets therein will be visible.

But most importantly, I never have to answer THAT question again!!!! And you don't have to link to every rumor site! Finally and forever: I never had an actress picked out, or even a consistant front-runner. I didn't have time to waste on casting when I was so busy air-balling on the script. (No! Rim! There was rim!) That's the greatest relief of all. I can do interviews again!

Thanks for your time. You are the people who make the world go 'round. Or, no, science does that.

-j.

[tojoson]

Damn, Livvie, you beat me by just a couple of minutes.

maybe that's why they picked up that spec script yesterday
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=39909

Go CC

[Gabriella]

Hmm, what's the word I'm looking for?

Karma.

[LaLa247]

It's a good day in the Cordyverse.

[SamIAm]

I just wonder what took so long; I'd actually thought they'd forgotten they were going to make the movie. Though I still think Dakota Fanning will be too old to play the role by the time this movie does get going.

[Liam]

Gotta say I'm surprised. Didn't think they'd go away from a relatively known name like Whedon to some newbies.

Although I'm not sure why the hell you'd want to make a Wonder Woman movie anyway. Hardly the most interesting super hero. Or so I think. But then again, they did make Ghost Rider.

[Childe of Blade]

Hmm, what's the word I'm looking for?

Karma.

That's what I said when Serenity bombed, LOL!!!

[webwarlock]

Hey.

I was just coming by to post this myself, but it had been so long since I had been by I forgot my password!

Karma indeed.

Warlock

[samsmom]

It's scary how much pleasure this gives me.

Frightening, actually.

I am so relieved he won't be doing 'one girl in all the world' again. So relieved. Even if CC doesn't get the part, I will still be trotting - tra-la-la SKIPPING - to see this movie, now that he's not doing it.

Seriously though, he needs to learn to play with others. He wants too much control over the story, it seems, and *hates* when others try and tweak it.

[Livvie]

Mwahahaha! For the first time I think ever I was the first with some news!

And I am pratically dancing about this. I love Wonder Woman. I grew up reading the comics. And my heart fell into my stomach when I heard Jasshat was attached to write. Then when I heard when he wanted to do, I was just like grrr. No! Now, like Samsom, I will be dancing right into that theater.

This is so karma and until he stops treating people so poorly (hello, did you READ his comments in his latest interview on mtv.com about the 'Verse actors) this is going to keep happening to him.

I am just glad that here, at least people are happy about this news and not touting around the "Joss is GOD!" banner that is happening over at LJ.

Thank god for everyone here. I can come here and not be ashamed of my Joss-dislike. I love you all. LOL

(Can you tell I have been at it all night with deluded Joss-fangirls?)

[samsmom]

I'm conflicted about Joss. He's a brilliant writer, but he's also a sadist, with ego to boot. I think it's dangerous for the fans to run around screaming "Joss is God" -

-unless you're comparing him to Old Testament God-

and letting him believe whatever he writes is made of awesome.

It's not.

And how long is he gonna last in Hollywoodland if his rep is "does not play well with others"?

[jerry]

I think Joss is talented and capable of making more stuff I'd like to watch. But I've never thought there was much chance of him making a good "Wonder Woman" movie, so it's probably better for him to make none at all than for him to make a crappy one.

[DamnSkippy]

(hello, did you READ his comments in his latest interview on mtv.com about the 'Verse actors)

Is (http://www.mtv.com/#/news/articles/1551286/20070131/index.jhtml) this the mtv.com article you were talking about?

You know, a 'Romeo's Working Out to Get Rid of His Spare Tire' episode is not going to be that exciting.

OMG, the man's a leper. And not the pretty kind.

I'm relieved about the WW movie. I don't think for a second that CC will ever get the part, but what he was trying to do with it sounded horrible. I hope these new guys have a better sense of the character and keep it closer to the original.

[argel]

Two things.

BWAHAHA.

And.

WEEEEEEE!

Thanks for the heads up, Livvie. :)

***argel***

[Penny Century]

Changed the thread title because I may not be the only one who went, "What's a jasshat?" :p

I guess everyone should have seen it coming, what with the new spec script getting picked up, but yeah. I think there's a chance for a good movie now that it promises to be free of Joss' inner 15-year-old girl.

[LordKain]

I guess Christmas came early for us in the Cordyverse YEAH this is great I love it and by the way suck on that Joss you prick. :9mm:

[Gabriella]

Seriously though, he needs to learn to play with others. He wants too much control over the story, it seems, and *hates* when others try and tweak it.

Despite the fact that those others actually save the day.

Man, I missed David Greenwalt when he left...

[Livvie]

That is the article, Debs. I couldn't believe that when I read it. What a way to burn some bridges. He needs some more karma, that is for sure.

And while I think Joss is good with ideas, I think he seriously lacks in execution. He is good at writing scenes and dialogue, but I don't think he is good with whole episodes. I can always point out a Whedon episode just because they seem to stick out like a sore thumb. Same with Whedon dialogue. He has a tendency to turn characters into overinflated stereotypes of themselves.

He also has to be one of the worst self-inserters I have ever seen in my life. Willow and Fred, hello! Anyone picks on Willow, they end up dead. And all poor Cordelia said was that Willow found the softer side of Sears. *wipes tear*. And at the end of the series, Willow is the most powerful being on Earth and Fred is a god-king. What?

Whenever there is a Joss ep, it is just propoganda to further his own childish fantansies and agendas. It is true, he is a 15 yr old girl trapped in a man's body and it shows.

All anyone needs to do is look to Greenwalt's other shows like Profit or episodes of Jake 2.0 he wrote to see where the good characterization and storylines come from. I would even prefer to watch Tim Minear episodes or god forbid, some of Marti Noxon's stuff from BTVS before watching the Joss as head writer ones.

Anyone who thinks he is any sort of God has some serious fanwank going on. He didn't create those shows by himself, he had a huge staff helping him. And thank god for that.

(Sorry, got carried away there)

[JoJo]

[Nelson Muntz] Ha! Ha! [/Nelson Muntz]

Aw, it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. I'm glad that WW won't be either turned into a babbling genius waif or play second fiddle to her young sidekick, a babbling genius waif.

Even if CC doesn't get the role, I'm sure that whomever is chosen will do a better job than JW. I'm in the camp that thinks that David Greenwalt was the true genius behind both shows, primarily because both shows quickly went into the crapper the moment he left.

[baba]

I am glad, he is has quit the project! I just can't picture him directing a Wonder Woman movie, which would stay true to the canon story of Diana the Amazon princess, and frankly his choices of actresses can be questionable at times! So him being off the project is the best solution for all, and hey who knows, maybe that he is not direction C.C might have a shot at the role!

[LordKain]

That is the article, Debs. I couldn't believe that when I read it. What a way to burn some bridges. He needs some more karma, that is for sure.

And while I think Joss is good with ideas, I think he seriously lacks in execution. He is good at writing scenes and dialogue, but I don't think he is good with whole episodes. I can always point out a Whedon episode just because they seem to stick out like a sore thumb. Same with Whedon dialogue. He has a tendency to turn characters into overinflated stereotypes of themselves.

He also has to be one of the worst self-inserters I have ever seen in my life. Willow and Fred, hello! Anyone picks on Willow, they end up dead. And all poor Cordelia said was that Willow found the softer side of Sears. *wipes tear*. And at the end of the series, Willow is the most powerful being on Earth and Fred is a god-king. What?

Whenever there is a Joss ep, it is just propoganda to further his own childish fantansies and agendas. It is true, he is a 15 yr old girl trapped in a man's body and it shows.

All anyone needs to do is look to Greenwalt's other shows like Profit or episodes of Jake 2.0 he wrote to see where the good characterization and storylines come from. I would even prefer to watch Tim Minear episodes or god forbid, some of Marti Noxon's stuff from BTVS before watching the Joss as head writer ones.

Anyone who thinks he is any sort of God has some serious fanwank going on. He didn't create those shows by himself, he had a huge staff helping him. And thank god for that.

(Sorry, got carried away there)



Those bridges were already burned I can't see most of the vetern actors from Angel or Buffy ever working with the man again for that very reason here is a list of the vetern names I know off:

David Boreanaz
Charisma Carpenter
Sarah Michelle Gellar
Nicholas Brendon
Anthony Stewart Head (He didn't want to come back after S6)

All the man is about is the typical overinflated stereotype characters the man was no genius to begin with he road the coattails of more talented writters right from the start.

I know what you mean about the blatant favorism he showed on Fred and Willow I never liked either of these characters except maybe Fred we she was crazy but that was about it. Both were nothing more the a bunch of lazy moochers especially Willow in the later seasons.

I haven't bothered to watch any of those shows the other writters put out because I know they are crap but seriously don't go overboard it's Marti Noxan we're taking about here she is just as bad if not worse then Joss Whedon himself she's a psycho bitch who no one respects.

[Platypus]

I guess everyone should have seen it coming.

Depending on how far back you can search on this forum's archives, I believe you would find several Strangers predicting something exactly like this a loooong time ago. Like, right after it was announced.

[LordKain]

Depending on how far back you can search on this forum's archives, I believe you would find several Strangers predicting something exactly like this a loooong time ago. Like, right after it was announced.

Everyone of us predictted it yet certain people on other board cough **Whedonesque** cough **IMDB** said it would happen yet we were right and they were wrong. :beer:

[Emmangel]

That's what I said when Serenity bombed, LOL!!!
The difference being Serenity was actually a decent movie.

[tojoson]

another article about this

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=39992

a couple of things struck me about this article


"I had a take on the film that, well, nobody liked," Whedon wrote.
chuckle, chuckle, snicker, snicker.


Last week, Warner bought a Wonder Woman script from newcomers Matthew Jennison and Brent Strickland that the two wrote on spec as a writing sample to win other assignments. Even though the studio said it was taking the spec off the market to protect itself against the possibility that any similarities between the scripts could be fodder for future legal action, it clearly liked certain elements in the new screenplay.

Whedon's take on the Amazonian princess set the tale in the present. In contrast, Jennison and Strickland's script is set during World War II, the era when the character was created. Sources told the trade paper that Silver and the studio are not interested in making a period picture.

If they were not interested in a period movie, why buy a script FOR a period movie.
Maybe they just liked that the writers could come up with a decent story, Many things could change in the finished product, including Diana's age

[Penny Century]

I'm glad that WW won't be either turned into a babbling genius waif or play second fiddle to her young sidekick, a babbling genius waif.

*spit take*

[Shadow4Corangela]

Ah, at last. Some good news. :)

[Gcstar501]

Pfft! HAHAHAHAHA Sorry Joss. Better luck next time.

(Sorry...Im not usually this bitter)

:grin:

[Prima]

Huh. Well, at least he didn't come right out and say it was somebody else's fault this time.

It's like he's growing as a person. Or something.

In contrast, Jennison and Strickland's script is set during World War II, the era when the character was created. Sources told the trade paper that Silver and the studio are not interested in making a period picture.

If they were not interested in a period movie, why buy a script FOR a period movie.
Maybe they just liked that the writers could come up with a decent story,

That would be my take because if it's a good story, the time frame is simply a backdrop. On the other hand, perhaps they're worried that the setting would invoke it's <a href="http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=8197">roots</a>.

[Jarhead]

The difference being Serenity was actually a decent movie.

Decent? Yeah. That's a good word, we'll go with that. But when the material it was spawned from was ... Great, Amazing, etc., you have to wonder why.

For the record:

Buffy - meh, had it's moments, alot fewer of them after losing Charisma, Boreanaz, Greenwalt.

Angel - Not perfect, but MUCH improved over Buffy, and it depends on who you ask just how involved with Angel Whedon was, although the few episodes with his name on them stand out markedly in tone, dialogue, etc. from the rest of the series if you ask me.

Firefly - absolutely loved it, with my favorite ep of the series bearing the name Tim Minear(Out of Gas), just like with Angel(Reprise/Epiphany).

So I decided to give Minear's new shows a chance.

Wonderfalls - LOVED it. Quirky, funny without having to mimic Whedon's signature sentence structure, and containing the element all of Whedon's stuff lacks - Hope.

The Inside - I promise that I will give up my disc of illegally downloaded eps just as soon as Fox puts this show on DVD. Like with Firefly, Angel, Dark Angel, etc.

Then comes Joss's feature film debut - Serenity. It was funny, it had all the characters, big explosions, and Nathan Fillion continued to be it's driving force. But while it was the same on paper, it just seemed to be ... off. And then you look at how the production team claims the episodes for Firefly were written(by several talented writers including Minear) versus Serenity(Joss).

Joss needs a round table to save him from his own ego, laziness, and personal beliefs.