The "Veronica Mars" SPOILER Thread

[Penny Century]

Longtimers, you know the drill: You don't have to use spoiler font in this thread.

Those who want to remain unspoiled, this will be your only warning: Don't click on a thread called "SPOILER Thread" if you want to be surprised!

Bon appétit.

[Platypus]

So can I start to piece together what we know about the season?

For a good spoiler site, go here (http://www.neptunesite.com/spoilers.htm).

With respect to CC's character, here's what we know so far:

(1) She's playing Kendall Casablancas, trophy wife to Big Dick Casablancas, and therefore trophy stepmother to Dick and Beav Casablancas.

(2) In CC's own words, Kendall is a "bitch in a bikini".

(3) Dick and Beav Casablancas are two of the "09ers" at Neptune High, and were in a few episodes last season as recurring characters. They were indirectly involved in Veronica getting drugged and then having non-consensual sex with an also drugged Duncan Kane.

(4) Big Dick Casablancas is a lawyer - an early episode features a scene of Dick racing through the law office issuing orders to shred documents. (I can't remember where this last spoiler is from - am I just making stuff up, or can someone confirm?)

We also know that the season long mystery will once again focus on a murder - and that the details will be evident in the very first episode, in which CC is to appear.

Other new characters include Steve Guttenberg playing a mayoral candidate, so there's sure to be some political intrigue that plays into the season long arc.

Anything else? (I've purposely left out all of the "shipping" (ewwwwww!) spoilers, since that's like reading tea leaves at this point.)

[Emmangel]

According to IMDB (yeah, I know, I know) CC is also is episode 2.3 "Cheatty Cheatty Bang Bang".

Haven't come across this anywhere else yet, or found any more info, but then, I haven't really looked.

[Cantinera]

As a new VM convert, I think I am going to be checking this thread regularly.

[Andromeda7_4]

With respect to CC's character, here's what we know so far:

(1) She's playing Kendall Casablancas, trophy wife to Big Dick Casablancas, and therefore trophy stepmother to Dick and Beav Casablancas.

(2) In CC's own words, Kendall is a "bitch in a bikini".

RT said to think Bonnie Bakely, only better-looking!


(4) Big Dick Casablancas is a lawyer - an early episode features a scene of Dick racing through the law office issuing orders to shred documents. (I can't remember where this last spoiler is from - am I just making stuff up, or can someone confirm?)

This was posted at TWOP; the scene in the office was in the sides from Nowcasting.com.


Other new characters include Steve Guttenberg playing a mayoral candidate, so there's sure to be some political intrigue that plays into the season long arc.

Anything else?

The pro basketball player and his daughter Jackie ( a regular who gets involved with Wallace}?

[KeyserSoze]

Woody Goodman (the mayoral candidate) also has a teenage daughter, Gia, that will be attending Neptune High.

[Penny Century]

RT said to think Bonnie Bakely, only better-looking!
He also said to think "Bunny Lebowski, ten years down the road." If you've seen The Big Lebowski, you may start thinking any number of things: former underage porn star? Serial philanderer? Faker of crimes against herself? The mind boggles.

[Kika]

I wonder how much of this season is going to be about Veronica trying to go back to how things were pre-Lilly's murder and coming to the realization that things won't ever be the same again. Certainly, she won't ever be that carefree girl we see in those flashbacks but she seems to be trying to change the environment around her.

From what we can gather from the sides and spoiler sites, she no longer works for her dad but she can't avoid having people bringing her their problems. She breaks up with Logan only to go back to Duncan, which I wonder if it's as much because she still thinks she loves him as it is because he's inevitably the safer option. She's back in the 09er group, or at least that's how it would seem to other people such as Weevil who accuses her of "living dangerously" the past year.

Whatever happens though, I can't wait.

[Kika]

Kevin Smith on Veronica Mars (http://neptunesite.com/news.htm)

[KeyserSoze]

CC pic from 2x01. That's Logan in the lounge chair.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/keyser7soze/18nd2.jpg

[Kika]

Thanks a lot, KeyserSoze. That certainly seems to add a little more credence to the Kendall/Logan rumours.

Also, Charisma looks fab.

[Freakface]

Oh sh**... :mush:

Wow!!! More CC in bikini please... while i clean my keyboard... :naughty:

[Mr.Brightside]

OMG!!! She looks really really hot :naughty:. Logan is one lucky man!

Thanks KeyserSoze.

[Emilie]

Am I the only one that immediately took notice to where Logan is holding that pillow?

[LaLa247]

Wow! She's a hottie, isn't she?

Logan/Kendall 4EVAH!!!

[Mr.Brightside]

Am I the only one that immediately took notice to where Logan is holding that pillow?

I would have done the same thing, If I saw Charisma in a Bikini :naughty:.

[Bibliophile]

There's a much larger version posted at <a href="http://www.paper-flower.com/kristenbell/template.php?x=gvmepisode0201.html" target="blank">Kristen Bell Online</a>.

[Freakface]

There's a much larger version posted at <a href="http://www.paper-flower.com/kristenbell/template.php?x=gvmepisode0201.html" target="blank">Kristen Bell Online</a>.

I am officially drooling too much now... :naughty: I DO wished it was a red bikini with her emerging from the pool...

[Platypus]

Ok, yes, she looks FAB - but am I the only one laughing at the size of the margarita (daiquiri? pina colada?) she's holding? It's as big as her head! That's a Karen Walker size drink!

[Emmangel]

Squees!

Though please, No Logan/Kendell. No matter how pretty they both are.

[TeSjah]

Squees!

Though please, No Logan/Kendell. No matter how pretty they both are.
I wouldn't mind Logan having a crush on her, but no romance.

[Freakface]

Ok, yes, she looks FAB - but am I the only one laughing at the size of the margarita (daiquiri? pina colada?) she's holding? It's as big as her head! That's a Karen Walker size drink!

I say let's give her more... :beer:

[Kika]

From Spoilerfix (http://www.spoilerfix.com):

Some of the Neptune High students, including Veronica, go on a field trip at the local professional baseball stadium. There they meet the team's owner Woody Goodman (played by Steve Guttenberg). Goodman is also the leading candidate to become mayor of Neptune. Logan goes to Beaver's house to hang by the pool with Beaver and Dick. Kendall Casablancas (played by Charisma Capenter) joins them.

[v120176]

I posted this at the CC forum (there's the bigger version of the pciture).

Am I the only one who founds really weird the poss and the angle of the picture (or screencap)?

I think she looks georgeous, but Is it me or the glass and hands are almost as big as her head and her legs and hips looks bigger than her torso? Specially on the small version. Seems that she's walking or in the middle of some movement, like twisting, because one leg looks with a different size than the other....
Something is weird with the poss.

Besides that, she's incredible. If with a wierd poss and not the best angle you look like that, you're a godess

[Cantinera]

Kendall/Logan actually wouldn't bother me that much, and I find that kind of odd. In fact, I'm curious how they might go there. Especially if Charisma's character is manipulative. It would probably be a strange, flirty thing. Maybe I am just slightly intrigued since I adore Charisma and look forward to her being on the show, and Logan is one of my fave characters on VM. So storylines involving the two wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing for me. But we will see how this pans out.

Especially since it is all random speculation due to a lovely bikini scene. ;)

[Kika]

Veronica Mars Promo (http://www.tragic-reality.net/vmpromo.rm) (RM format)

Most we've seen before, but towards the end there are clips from S2 including what appears to be a continuation of the final scene of Leave It To Beaver in which Veronica is telling someone "There's something that you need to know."

[Kika]

<img src="http://www.tragic-reality.net/ccvm1.jpg">

New VM promo featuring a brief scene with CC can be found <a href="http://www.tragic-reality.net/ccvmpromo.wmv">here</a>. It's in wmv format.

[Emmangel]

Oooh, nice. I don't have sound at work however, can anyone tell me what she says?

Kika, would I be able to snag this promo for Charisma-Online (credit/link provided of course)?

Now, if only they'd show a promo with more CC. Heh.

[DamnSkippy]

Oooh, nice. I don't have sound at work however, can anyone tell me what she says?

"Coming?" :naughty:

[Kika]

Oooh, nice. I don't have sound at work however, can anyone tell me what she says?

Kika, would I be able to snag this promo for Charisma-Online (credit/link provided of course)?

It seems like she says "Well... come in."

I think that clip may have been originally captured by KeyserSoze, but I'm not 100% sure on that. It's travelled through a few forums now and I just nabbed it from TWoP and uploaded it for us here.

[SamIAm]

Wow, that clip looks like she's playing a bitch... not in a bikini. :)

[Mr.Brightside]

It seems like she says "Well... come in."

I thought she said "Well...coming". I turn my volume all the way up :lol:.

[Penny Century]

Wow, that clip looks like she's playing a bitch... not in a bikini. :)
You know how KarKar is liable to invoke AC/DC and "American thighs" in regard to CC...well, I think someone else had "She told me to come, but I was already there" in mind. ;)

[KeyserSoze]

Yes, I vidded the promo and yes, Emmangel you can use it for your site. :)

[Emmangel]

Yes, I vidded the promo and yes, Emmangel you can use it for your site. :)
Thank you. :)

[v120176]

Just in case someone didn't see it. Cordy81 post this link http://www.livejournal.com/community/cangel_spanish/36734.html#cutid1 to more screencaps at the CC forum

[Freakface]

It seems like she says "Well... come in."


That's what she said... I am the first in line to take up on that offer! :naughty:

[Freakface]

New pics from the season premiere episode... and they renamed the episode name to "Normal Is The Watchword"... Visit Kristen Bell Online (http://www.paper-flower.com/kristenbell/base.php) and give thanks to them for these great pics...

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/984/vm01056fg.th.jpg (http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vm01056fg.jpg) http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7070/vm01069qe.th.jpg (http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vm01069qe.jpg) http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7866/vm01074nm.th.jpg (http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vm01074nm.jpg)

[Freakface]

And one more set to drool at.. keep the keyboards clean...

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7351/vm01080ab.th.jpg (http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vm01080ab.jpg) http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/1491/vm01099bu.th.jpg (http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vm01099bu.jpg) http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/4981/vm01107pn.th.jpg (http://img258.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vm01107pn.jpg)

[v120176]

WOW!!!!!! That woman looks good!!!!

Also, see the first one (of course you're seeng it :lol: ) that's a good screencap to use as a promotion! She looks like she's. That was what I hated about the first picture.

[Mr.Brightside]

Whoa!!! She's all wet :naughty:. Love the pics.....specially the second because its a close up.Thanks Freakface.

[Kika]

Wow, thanks Freakface. I just love that second shot of her in the water.

[Penny Century]

Wow, thanks Freakface. I just love that second shot of her in the water.
For some reason, CC looks gorgeous wet. (Oh hell, she looks gorgeous all the time, but it's especially striking when she looks fabulous under circumstances that would make many people look like drowned rats.)

[Kika]

UPN released a short (approx. 3 minute) promo featuring two scenes from the season opener which can be downloaded <a href="http://www.tragic-reality.net/vm_normal.rm">here</a>. Sadly, there's no CC but it helps to tide us over for the next four weeks.

There's also an extended version of the promo which was posted here a few days back. This features a very quick shot of CC walking to the pool with the drink in her hand, as seen in the promo shots. This can be downloaded <a href="http://www.tragic-reality.net/vmextendedpromo.wmv">here</a>.

[Gabriella]

For some reason, CC looks gorgeous wet. (Oh hell, she looks gorgeous all the time, but it's especially striking when she looks fabulous under circumstances that would make many people look like drowned rats.)
:lol:

She does look fantastic, doesn't she? And even better in that promo pic... :love:

[Eureka]

Thanks for the pics. CC's looking great. My computer is on it's last legs so I don't want to tempt fate and download the promo!

[Kika]

Taken from the Futon Critic:

VERONICA'S RETURN TO "NORMAL" LIFE GETS INTERRUPTED BY A SERIES OF SHOCKING SURPRISES, INCLUDING WALLACE BEING KICKED OFF THE BASKETBALL TEAM FOR DRUGS, ON THE SEASON PREMIERE OF "VERONICA MARS," WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 28 ON UPN

Charisma Carpenter ("Angel") Guest Stars as Kendall Casablancas, Julie Chen ("The Early Show") Guest Stars as Herself, Steve Guttenberg ("The Poseidon Adventure") Guest Stars as Woody Goodman, UPN's AMERICA'S NEXT TOP MODEL Winner Naima Mora Guest Stars as Ms. Dumas and Jeffery Sams ("Soul Food") Guest Stars as Terrence Chase

"Normal is the Watchword" -- After the summer fireworks caused by a dangerous confrontation with Lilly Kane's murderer and a surprising visitor at her door, Veronica attempts to settle into "normal" life, complete with a new after-school job and a return to the popular fold at Neptune High, but she gets pulled back into the investigation business when Wallace is kicked off the basketball team for testing positive for drugs, on the shocking season premiere of VERONICA MARS, Wednesday, Sept. 28 (9:00-10:00 PM, ET/PT) on UPN. John Kretchmer directed the episode from a script by Rob Thomas. Steve Guttenberg guest stars as Woody Goodman, a charismatic major league baseball team owner and leading candidate in the local mayor's race; UPN's AMERICA'S NEXT TOP MODEL winner Naima Mora guest stars as journalism teacher Ms. Dumas; and Jeffery Sams guest stars as a famous baseball player from Goodman's team.

Meanwhile, Keith sits down with reporter Julie Chen (guest starring as herself) to discuss his new book on the Lilly Kane murder, "Big Murder, Small Town." Later, after seeing his father arrested for murder and being charged and tried for murder himself, Logan seeks refuge from the paparazzi and relaxes poolside at the Casablancas mansion with buddies Dick (Ryan Hansen) and "Beaver" (Kyle Gallner) and their sexy stepmother Kendall (guest star Charisma Carpenter).

[Kika]

Collection of posts from Herc at <a href="http://www.aintitcool.com/">AICN</a>:

Okay. By coincidence VERONICA MARS 2.1 arrived this morning..

I just watched it - and here's what I can tell you without UPN getting really pissed at me. I now know who it is, and it's NOT Deputy Leo. (The reason UPN won't be mad is because Rob Thomas told us over the summer that it would be either Logan or Duncan at Veronica's door. Anyone else, he pointed out, would have felt like a cheat.)

Oh, here's something else I can tell you about it.

The restaurant scene is the first scene of the teaser, and the schoolyard scene is the last scene of the teaser. But there's A LOT of stuff in between, including the reveal of who was at the door.

Definitely a four-star episode. Maybe a five.

Gotta give Rob Thomas credit; he figured out how to top the Lilly Kane mystery. The episode has like 19 twists; it made me laugh out loud, then stare in horror. Even the mystery-of-the-week plot is way above average. I sense a great season in the making.

oh and?

Charisma Carpenter is in a bikini or naked throughout every scene she's in.

[Freakface]

Charisma Carpenter is in a bikini or naked throughout every scene she's in.

Man, she is definitely very confident of her body since Playboy... no more the self-consciousness she had in the early Buffy years... :naughty:

And just an obsevation, she has been in parts that has any of the following traits since Buffy-Angel:

a bitch
a seer
in a coma
in a skimpy outfit or swimsuit


Maybe it's just me... but I am not complaining at all...

[v120176]

Take a deep breath.......... JOSS IS GUEST STARING AT VERONICA MARS.
He will play a testy, rental car manager in episode six.

Here's the link to what Kate posted at the Cordyverse forum http://www.stranger-things.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19679

[TeSjah]

JOSS IS GUEST STARING AT VERONICA MARS
*dies*

[Kika]

http://usaweekend.com/05_issues/050918/050918television.html

BEST "BUFFY" COMEBACK THAT'S MOST LIKE "BUFFY"
"Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and "Angel" alum Charisma Carpenter is joining the cast of UPN's cult hit Veronica Mars in a role that will give a bit of déjà vu to "Buffy" fans. "I'm the superficial girl in the bikini," she says. "It's a lot like I was on 'Buffy,' but this time, the blonde is going down." That blonde, of course, is breakout star Kristen Bell (Miss Veronica herself), who is attracting a rabid, Buffylike fan base to this ever-growing series.

[LaLa247]

"It's a lot like I was on 'Buffy,' but this time, the blonde is going down." So, is Kendall gonna be the big bad of the season or what? Does that mean CC is on for more than six episodes?

And WHO IS AT THAT DAMN DOOR?! It better be Logan...it better be Logan....it better be Logan...

[Kika]

And WHO IS AT THAT DAMN DOOR?! It better be Logan...it better be Logan....it better be Logan...

I hope it's him. Or Wallace. Or Deputy Leo. Or, heck, even Mac. Just not Donut.

Here's another little piece from Seattle P-I (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tv/241049_tv17.html):

Not to brag or anything, but I know who's at the door. By the end of the premiere, that morsel may be all but forgotten in the wake of all the bombshells exploding around dear Veronica -- including one, possibly two, new mysteries.

We'll worship at Miss Mars' feet in more detail a little closer to the premiere, but here's a little temptation for ambivalent, would-be male viewers: Charisma Carpenter, playing Kendall Casablancas, makes a bikini and bathing robe look obscene from the very first episode.

[Gabriella]

Ew! Joss... :dead:

Also -

That blonde, of course, is breakout star Kristen Bell (Miss Veronica herself), who is attracting a rabid, Buffylike fan base to this ever-growing series.
:lol: Rabid? Is it wrong that I'm flattered?

[Kika]

Since some people may wish to avoid this spoiler, I thought it'd be best to put it behind a tag.

The person at the door is --->Logan.<---

Those without willpower can download an extended clip of that scene <a href="http://www.a-beautiful-disaster.net/vmdoor.wmv">here</a>. --->Poor Logan. I don't know what it is about him crying, but it always gets to me. <---

[LaLa247]

Those without willpower can download an extended clip of that scene <a href="http://www.a-beautiful-disaster.net/vmdoor.wmv">here</a>. --->Poor Logan. I don't know what it is about him crying, but it always gets to me. <---Thank you!

I feel so bad for Logan. I think he's probably gonna go through a Veronica-type outcast situation because of the whole thing with his dad. However, I heard a rumor (and I hope it's not true) that Veronica dumps Logan and gets back with Donut by the middle of the season. Then again, I also heard that Donut is being written out of the show.

[Kika]

However, I heard a rumor (and I hope it's not true) that Veronica dumps Logan and gets back with Donut by the middle of the season. Then again, I also heard that Donut is being written out of the show.

Sadly, the rumour about --->Veronica and Donut is likely to be true. It's listed on Neptunesite which, from what I heard, was very accurate with spoilers last season and seems to be backed up by what's in the casting sides. Although the sides have clearly been altered this season to limit the spoilage, in most cases they've simply swapped names around so it doesn't take too much time figuring out who is who.

I'm not quite sure where the spoiler about Donut being written out came from, as I've not seen it widely reported, but I'm kinda hoping it's true.<---

[KeyserSoze]

Sadly, the rumour about ---> Veronica and Donut is likely to be true. It's listed on Neptunesite which, from what I heard, was very accurate with spoilers last season and seems to be backed up by what's in the casting sides. Although the sides have clearly been altered this season to limit the spoilage, in most cases they've simply swapped names around so it doesn't take too much time figuring out who is who. <---

Actually ---->Veronica dumps Logan again and starts dating Duncan in the first episode, not midseason <----

[Platypus]

To answer Kika:

**I think the rumours regarding Teddy Dunn leaving the show mid-season are a result of news from way back in the summer when it was announced that several cast members were having their episode orders cut from the full 22. (I think it came from a Rob Thomas interview). I think the only ones with full 22 ep orders are Veronica, her Dad and possibly Logan. I think Wallace is down to either 16 or 18, and I think the speculation is that Teddy Dunn is down to no more than 16, and perhaps only 12. I can't recall the exact numbers.

And yes, I've also heard that Veronica/Duncan is definitely going to be happening for the early part of the season. Logan and Veronica were dating throughout the summer (which we'll see in flashbacks), but they break up in the first episode (possibly also via flashback) as a result of something that happened on the bridge between Logan and Weevil's gang, or possibly something that happens afterwards that is a result of the something that happened on the bridge. (I'm not trying to be deliberately vague, I just don't remember everything I've read recently.)

Oh, and I'm starting to think more and more that Kendall/Logan is definitely not just fan speculation any more. I really do think that after Veronica and Logan break up (I'm not sure who dumps who), Logan and Kendall start having an affair. No concrete evidence of this, just putting various pieces together. So sorry to anyone who has expressed unhappiness about this possibility, because I really do think it's in the cards.**

[Kika]

Actually ---->Veronica dumps Logan again and starts dating Duncan in the first episode, not midseason <----

--->Oops, I totally already know that. I guess I overlooked the midseason comment by Lara and just dealt with the rumour in general as I pretty much know those casting sides back to front by now. Which is clearly a bad thing, as I'm still trying to wipe the thought of that blindfolded scone scene from my brain. <---

Thanks, Platy. Like you, I'm becoming convinced that something between Logan and Kendall will happen especially when you consider the angle of that promo shot and the "come in" line from the S2 promo. --->If it's true about Veronica being the one to dump Logan, and he takes it as badly as they suggest, then you could well understand him having a fling with Kendall to get over her. <---

[LaLa247]

Thanks for the clarification, guys. :)

-->I also think Kendall/Logan is happening, just because of the promo. Who else would she be talking to? Her step-kids? Her husband (no, really)? Logan looks like the type to do "Stacey's Mom" to get over the one that dumped him. <--

Logan/Veronica 4EVAH!

[Kika]

http://www.tvguide.com/News/AskAusiello/default.htm?rmDate=09212005

Question: You can't deny it! I have video evidence that you interviewed Veronica Mars' Jason Dohring on the red carpet at the Emmys. What did he have to say! Spill! — Jennifer

Ausiello: God, you people are everywhere! Yes, it's true, I cornered Jay (yeah, we're at that place already) just after he stepped out of his limo and asked him the question on everyone's mind that afternoon: Duncan or Logan? "That is really a hard question," he hedged. "It's really hard to think that she could be with Logan unless he undergoes some serious change, because they're not really on the same wavelength. They could be [together] for a passionate, you know, burst, but then he's just kind of a bad guy. But she's the only person who can really make him change, and in that sense they could totally be together. We'll see."

*

Question: Did you hear the news that Joss Whedon has agreed to do a cameo on Veronica Mars? He is going to play a rental-car manager in the sixth episode. — Renee

Ausiello: I know! I can't wait! I actually broke the news to Jason Dohring at the Emmys and he was thrilled... after I reminded him who Joss Whedon was.

*

Question: People keep asking about this season's "mystery" on Veronica Mars, but doesn't the preview clip on UPN give it away? It seems to show Weevil's sidekick, Felix, lying bloody on the ground with Logan as the suspect. Is that it, or have I been drinking the spiked Snapple again? — Dave

Ausiello: (MAJOR SPOILER ALERT) Who says there can't be several mysteries? Huh? Who, damnit!?!?!?! (Sorry, long week.)

[Platypus]

Thanks Kika!

You know, I just realized that we don't need to use spoiler font in a spoiler thread, so sorry for doing that in an earlier post.

As far as what Dohring said... I have to admit, I'm getting a bad feeling here. I'm not a die-hard Logan/Veronica shipper by any stretch, and I'm certainly open to whatever and wherever Rob Thomas wants to go, but...

Ok, here's the thing. This is starting to give off really bad shades of Buffy/Spike, and I'm so not interested in that. The whole "bad boyfriend" thing playing out makes me far more uncomfortable than a Kendall/Logan scenario, because I've already said I don't see Logan as in any way, shape or form equivalent to Connor (who had the maturity of an 8 year old, and to whom Cordy was a pseudo-mother figure). But I don't like the idea of playing off a triangle where one choice (Duncan?) is the first boyfriend, twu wuv obvious choice (Angel?), and the second "damaged" bad boyfriend is the one that the writers dangle in front of the fans but will never allow to happen.

I wasn't even ever a real Buffy/Spike shipper - I was open to it, but I would have similarly been ok with Buffy/Xander, or some other combination (except Buffy/Angel). But what I really disliked was the way they told the story, and wouldn't ever let it die to the point where it became a joke. (Much like C/A, but I digress).

Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but this is the first thing that's truly made me nervous about the new season - the last thing I want is a replay of a Buffy/Spike/Angel triangle based on Buffy/Veronica choosing between first boyfriend/twu wuv/Duncan/Angel and damaged goods/bad boyfriend but hot chemistry/Logan/Spike.

Blech. Maybe it's just that I'm turned off by the fact that RT is sucking up so much to Joss Whedon. I didn't care when it was Joss Whedon slobbering over the show, but for Rob to return the saliva and reward it with a guest spot makes me a bit ill.

[KeyserSoze]

I actually thought it was encouraging. RT is the guy who created Cupid, after all. He knows love is messy. Logan's in more episodes than Veronica's current boyfriend and best friend are (if TD was in 22 we would have heard about it). The boy has major issues that he has to work through and I really like that V could eventually be the one that can help him. Of course, he ultimately has to help himself. I just like that someone sees that V can be a catalyst for change. You won't catch me comparing Duncan to Angel because...no. Veronica and Logan might not be on the same wavelength but at this point, neither are Veronica and Duncan anymore. They just don't know it yet.

We need more Kendall spoilers, dammit. They're up to ep 6 now. I wonder what else girlfriend has been up to during all that time.

Logan/Veronica 4EVAH Rob KTHNX

[Lovin' Lorne]

Question: Did you hear the news that Joss Whedon has agreed to do a cameo on Veronica Mars? He is going to play a rental-car manager in the sixth episode. — Renee

Ausiello: I know! I can't wait! I actually broke the news to Jason Dohring at the Emmys and he was thrilled... after I reminded him who Joss Whedon was.

LMAO!!! Sorry, I just couldn't let that slide by without some sort of comment.

[LaLa247]

I agree with Platy. This whole Duncan/Logan/Veronica triangle and JD's comment is giving me bad vibes of the B/S S6 mess kind. But since she said it better than I could...

Do we really believe that Logan is a bad guy? We know the guy has layers (unlike Donut), he's extremely troubled- he was an abused kid, daddy killed his girlfriend (after having an affair with her), mommy commited suicide (or DID she?!), and so on. Is he bad or misunderstood?

[silveragent]

Lala -- Logan staged bumfights. Nothing more need be said that he's a bad dude, as Jason said.

Platy -- ITA, and it's why I dropped the show. Back in the day I LOVED Cupid, but looking back I can see the same lame triangle stuff which IMHO just shows a lack of creativity and inability to give viewers stuff that makes them happy.

I agree that the Buffy/Spike/Angel stuff is replaying, and you'd think Joss's late run is an object lesson of what not to do. Just seems idiotic. Give viewers "what they need" instead of what they want and they tend to go elsewhere. Since VM doesn't have a huge cushion to me that spells early cancellation.

Veronica's shipped with waaaay too many folks already, to my mind she's more fun just hanging with Wallace and Meg and other folks. Instead of high-drama soapy stuff as you mentioned. I honestly don't know why Logan and Duncan are still around, IMHO the characters ran out their run.

To me Veronica showed the most promise exploring her social status as a "used to be" popular girl who's now an outcast and finds both exclusion and freedom in that new status. Her romantic stuff seems just ... dumb and as you mentioned repetitive.

A lot of Cupid IMHO just depended on Jeremy Piven's comic genius. RT I think is over-rated.

All that being said, I hope CC gets more opps out of this.

[KeyserSoze]

Is he bad or misunderstood?

A little bit of both? The writers like Ruggiero seem to like the fact that Logan's a grey character that they can use and twist for dramatic purposes, yet also have him remain sympathetic. While I think that he's viewed as being a bad person by parts of fandom, I don't think the writers view him that way.

I think they view all of the characters, with the exception of possibly Wallace, as being grey. They've all got deep flaws. RT seems almost proud of the fact that V herself is flawed and not always sympathetic. Based on that email RT sent out, he seems to view Logan and Duncan as being on even footing, with both of them now considered 'legitimate suitors.' They don't view Logan as the bad boyfriend, although obviously the guy has a ton of issues to work out. I just think they view it as a way to mine more drama and angst out of the story. Normal is her watchword and at this point V sees Duncan as 'normal.'

Regardless of how I feel about Kendall/Logan, that's a pretty complicated storyline for a high school character to carry. I think the writers gave it to him because they think Logan as a character can handle it for this first part of the season. Eventually, he's got to come back to the fold. There's no point in having the character there if they weren't serious about him being viable.

[Andromeda7_4]

Lala -- Logan staged bumfights. Nothing more need be said that he's a bad dude, as Jason said.

BUT- the men were willing, right? He didn't coerce anyone; they did it for the money. That may not make it right; but is it really that much different from any other boxing match?

Back in the day I LOVED Cupid, but looking back I can see the same lame triangle stuff which IMHO just shows a lack of creativity and inability to give viewers stuff that makes them happy.

If you give viewers what makes them happy, the viewers tend to get bored.
(They always say they won't- and then they do anyway).


I agree that the Buffy/Spike/Angel stuff is replaying, and you'd think Joss's late run is an object lesson of what not to do. Just seems idiotic. Give viewers "what they need" instead of what they want and they tend to go elsewhere. Since VM doesn't have a huge cushion to me that spells early cancellation.

I'm surprised the show even got a renewal this season, so I don't really expect it to go forever. I just want to enjoy the run while it lasts.


Veronica's shipped with waaaay too many folks already, to my mind she's more fun just hanging with Wallace and Meg and other folks...
To me Veronica showed the most promise exploring her social status as a "used to be" popular girl who's now an outcast and finds both exclusion and freedom in that new status. Her romantic stuff seems just ... dumb and as you mentioned repetitive.

You may feel that way; but many viewers want romance, and that includes me! I would get bored with any show in which the lead has no love interest. RT has to try to appeal to as wide an audience as possible, esp. up against the current competition.


All that being said, I hope CC gets more opps out of this.

I think that is a given; her appearance is on a quality show that is getting noticed. How could that be a negative?

[Cantinera]

Since some people may wish to avoid this spoiler, I thought it'd be best to put it behind a tag.

The person at the door is --->Logan.<---

Those without willpower can download an extended clip of that scene <a href="http://www.a-beautiful-disaster.net/vmdoor.wmv">here</a>. --->Poor Logan. I don't know what it is about him crying, but it always gets to me. <---

Ooh, thank you! I watched the clip and now my curiosity has been piqued more! I'm counting on you to help me see the show once it starts, Pirate! ;)

[Kika]

Is Logan a bit of an ass? Absolutely. A bad guy? I wouldn't say so, personally. There's no doubt that the guy is screwed up, and the way he treated Veronica at times was shameful, but he's hardly the devil incarnate. The bumfights thing is moronic, but then so are many teenage boys. He's certainly not alone there. His actions toward Veronica, however wrong they may be, did come out of blaming her for his and Lilly's break up and ultimately her death. Screwed up logic perhaps, but it wasn't random targeting. And honestly, kids suck in high school. Once you're the outcast, you're an easy target for pretty much anyone. That's not to say I excuse him for what he did though, as I do in fact think that Veronica was pretty quick in forgiving him for what happened at the party.

And honestly, I have to say that Duncan isn't exactly a prize catch either. Aside from the fact he makes Groo look like an interesting character, his whole reaction to Veronica after finding out she could be his sister was downright low, especially after he slept with her. You can perhaps excuse his actions that night due to being drugged, but what came after it? I don't know. He left her to wake up alone in some strange house after knowing she was out of it the night before. With that amount of alcohol, she was likely to be a little hazy on the events, one would think. At least initially, anyway. But that didn't matter. Even afterwards, Duncan decided for the two of them not to bring it up again, because he basically felt bad that he slept with someone he believed could be his sister. If that's how you treat someone you supposedly love, I'd hate to see how he treats other people.

And well, let's not forget how he reverts to weird aggressive guy when he dislikes something. Let's hope Veronica doesn't really piss him off sometime.
Ooh, thank you! I watched the clip and now my curiosity has been piqued more! I'm counting on you to help me see the show once it starts, Pirate! ;)

Of course! It might be a bit chaotic for the first episode (if what happened with Lost is any indication) but I imagine it'll be available fairly quickly :)

[rolandro]

I guess for me, I don't look at this show as some kind of Buffy redo. Sure it's high school, and sure the girl is blonde, and was some kind of outsider, but that's as far as it goes. So all the love triangles just don't factor for me, because here, they're used to convey the shifting social ground Veronica finds herself on as much as anything emotional. Here they're set in motion to lead to betrayal, which usually has some kind of 09er smackdown attached to it and because, hey, it television and you got to go where the drama is. Like I said over on the LOST thread - I'm watching this show over LOST because there actually will be a mystery to solve this season versus the pretense of mystery you typically get from LOST and so many other shows.

As for CC, I think this is the big thing before the BIG THING. She's a critcal player (for at least 7 episodes) on a mature, critically acclaimed show in its SECOND SEASON and her participation is being maxed as positive by just about everything I read. She'll be eyecandy, and a bitch. That's got to be a good thing.

[Platypus]

Is Logan a bit of an ass? Absolutely. A bad guy? I wouldn't say so, personally.

Nor would I - but that's precisely where I'm feeling shades of "been there, done that" with BTVS. Because there were plenty of people - who weren't named Silveragent! - who didn't think Spike was a bad guy by the end of Season 5, either. It wasn't supported by the scripts or the acting. He stood up to Glory rather than forking over Dawn, etc. But the writer's room led by Marti Noxon had it in their head that Spike was evil and irredeemable, and when the audience didn't get it they reinforced that interpretation through the events of Season 6.

So here we have Logan, who is definitely no saint, but was by all accounts one of the break-out characters of the season. For whatever it's worth, the Logan/Veronica ship seems to be much more popular than the Veronica/Duncan ship. But once again the interviews seem to be going out of their way to reinforce that it's WRONG to like Logan, or to like Logan/Veronica, etc. So that's where I'm seeing uncomfortable parallels - this reeks of giving the audience what it 'needs'. (But, as I said before, it's entirely possible that I'm just very turned off by the fact that Rob Thomas seems to be feeding the ego that just won't die.)

Aside from the fact he makes Groo look like an interesting character

:love:

[Kika]

So here we have Logan, who is definitely no saint, but was by all accounts one of the break-out characters of the season. For whatever it's worth, the Logan/Veronica ship seems to be much more popular than the Veronica/Duncan ship. But once again the interviews seem to be going out of their way to reinforce that it's WRONG to like Logan, or to like Logan/Veronica, etc. So that's where I'm seeing uncomfortable parallels - this reeks of giving the audience what it 'needs'. (But, as I said before, it's entirely possible that I'm just very turned off by the fact that Rob Thomas seems to be feeding the ego that just won't die.)

I absolutely understand your concerns. Some people thought my misgivings over Joss voicing his love for VM was an overreaction. Far from it, by the looks of it. I can only hope that unlike Joss, RT decides to go the other route, the one where they eventually realise that whilst it's normal for people to yearn for that first love, the one they lost, fantasy often doesn't live up to reality. Certainly, I think the Duncan in Veronica's head is not matched by the Duncan we now have.

That, and I do think UPN knows what they have in Jason Dohring and Logan. It's been interesting to see how Logan has moved up from simply a recurring character to appearing in what seems to be all 22 episodes this season. Wasn't he once considered not "handsome" enough to be the lead? How things have changed. I may be remembering this all wrong, but I think RT once mentioned in an interview that whilst the network wanted to make sure Veronica didn't become too unlikeable, he wanted to make sure she wasn't too likeable by having some of the choices she makes morally ambiguous. I guess I do still have faith in RT at this point, which may turn out to be totally misguided on my part, but should he force the point home that it's wrong to like Logan (and heck, if that's wrong then I don't want to be right) I wonder if the network would try to temper that decision. What happened on Buffy was hardly a ringing endorsement of such a policy.

[Kika]

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/cgi/listings.cgi?id=20050923upn01

AFTER TRAGEDY STRIKES, VERONICA ATTEMPTS TO HELP A GRIEVING FAMILY MEMBER DISPROVE THE SHERIFF'S RUSH TO JUDGMENT, ON "VERONICA MARS," WEDNESDAY, OCT. 5 ON UPN

Tessa Thompson ("Cold Case") Joins the Cast as New Student Jackie Cook

Charisma Carpenter ("Angel") Guest Stars as Kendall Casablancas, Steve Guttenberg ("The Poseidon Adventure") Guest Stars as Woody Goodman, Jeffery Sams ("Soul Food") Guest Stars as Terrence Cook, and Kevin Smith ("Clerks") Guest Stars as Duane Anders

World Premiere of Music Video "No Sleep Tonight" by Feisty U.K. Girl-Band The Faders, the First Single from the VERONICA MARS Soundtrack

"Driver Ed" -- After tragedy strikes Neptune, Calif. and the local sheriff rushes to judgment, an emotional Veronica attempts to help a grieving family member rule out suicide as a contributing cause in the calamity, on VERONICA MARS, Wednesday, Oct. 5 (9:00-10:00 PM, ET/PT) on UPN. Nick Marck directed the episode from a script written by Diane Ruggiero. Charisma Carpenter guest stars as frisky trophy wife Kendall Casablancas, and Kevin Smith guest stars as convenience store clerk Duane Anders. The feisty U.K. all-girl band The Faders makes their U.S. debut with the world premiere of their new video for "No Sleep Tonight," the first single from the VERONICA MARS soundtrack, in stores on Sept. 27.

Meanwhile, Wallace offers to help transfer student Jackie Cook, the fiery, flirty daughter of professional baseball player Terrence Cook (guest star Jeffery Sams), track down the person who damaged her car in the school lot. Later, mayoral candidate Woody Goodman (guest star Steve Guttenberg) asks Keith to consider running for sheriff.

[silveragent]

The problem with Spike on Buffy was the same problem with Logan on Veronica.

In small doses, as a funny but evil character making the female lead's life miserable, both were great adversaries. Focusing the show on them is/was a huge mistake.

Spike S5? Wasn't that the one that showed him killing two slayers? How was that romantic/positive?

Of course Spike and Logan are "bad guys." They were designed from the start to be bad guys (though funny). Much of the S5 writing in Buffy posited that being the bad guy as long as you were cool(er) was enough; all the badness in S6-7 followed from that. I see the same process here in VM as in Buffy. [Agreed with Duncan's character also being a loser creatively, I would have ditched both Duncan and Logan but that's just me]

Caveat: on Cable with lots of swear words and shock, Rescue Me, Nip/Tuck, 6FU etc can win a small audience that's profitable with unlikeable characters.

Cupid's big failing was that the "romance" was doomed from the start. I tried to get friends into it and their reaction was "She's threatening him with the nuthouse and he's a nut!" I can see in retrospect their point. I am however glad to see Jeffrey D. Sams working again. He was GREAT as Champ in Cupid btw.

What made Cupid a special show was Piven's fast-talker also experiencing humanity; some of the best TV I've ever seen was the episode where Cupid tried to make a love connection between a Hockey Coach and ill girl; the date was nothing special but later the Coach (a good guy and pal to Cupid) was killed in an accident and his heart transplanted into the girl he dated. Piven (a truly remarkable actor) took good writing and made it great with humanity and decency. THAT IMHO was the show and not the lame triangle which to me kept viewers away not drawn in.

I can see VM predictably trying the Joss Whedon tack (being a cool bad guy is enough) instead of the show that worked and got critics and viewers attention: Veronica as a sudden outsider who finds the new freedom to follow her own rules. Maybe it's just me but if I'm going to fail I would want to at least want to fail being myself and not someone else. But then humanity and decency are hard to write and self-referential Hollywood style "cool" is pretty easy. Such as bumfights being "shocking but cool." Sigh.

I just hope CC doesn't get the Paula Marshall label. "Show Killa." Sigh.

ETA: All that being said I'll shut up now. But I do see "Alan Ball disease" ruining otherwise good shows.

[Platypus]

instead of the show that worked and got critics and viewers attention

Well, the "show that worked and got critics' and viewers' attention" in the first season featured healthy amounts of Logan, not as a bad boy but as a fairly complex character with layers. In other words, Logan was a big PART of what the critics and viewers already like from last year.

So even though I'm the one that drew the analogy to BTVS and Spike/Buffy, I don't agree with where you've taken it. Logan does not actually = Spike in my mind, and I just don't want to see a triangle with a preordained conclusion suck up valuable screen time this season, especially one that's based on the outdated teen notion of "bad boyfriend" vs. "one twu wuv".

[Kika]

Possible spoilers from someone claiming to have seen "Normal is the Watchword".

http://vm-boards.com/showthread.php?postid=2052#post2052

As always, take with a pinch of salt. I have to say though at least some of those spoilers seem to have a ring of truth to them. I know for example the Wallace, Veronica and Keith scene they mention about Wallace peeing into a cup was only released recently to TV Guide so they're getting this information in advance from somewhere. Whether everything else is correct, I guess we'll have to wait and see.

[LaLa247]

"LoVe" and "DunVer"? Best 'ship names EVER. :lol:

VM totally kicks the Whedonverse's ass, doesn't it?

ETA: Where are my manners- thanks for the link, Kika!

[Kika]

"LoVe" and "DunVer"? Best 'ship names EVER. :lol:
I have to say I'm still quite partial to them being called simply "VD" because you're always guaranteed the penicillin joke :D

Rob Thomas did a chat with Kristin tonight. Here's some of the relevant parts:

Mary_from_Omaha asks: How would you compare season two to season one?

Rob_Thomas replies: We have more characters in the show this year. More series regulars with Dick and Beaver and Jackie. We've also got Steve Guttenberg and Charisma Carpenter. Also we had Kristen/Veronica in almost every scene last year, but now we're developing some longer term story ideas that will involve Kristen, but Logan will be used a lot more. Also the bigger story is more expansive. And in season one, we payed lip service to the class divisions, but in season two, things are at a boiling point.

Kristin_C_from_w asks: Are you amazed by all the support, not just from us rabid fans but also from major cult favorites like Joss Whedon and Kevin Smith?

Rob_Thomas replies: Yeah absolutely. It's really blown my mind. Both the postings from Josh and Kevin really made my week. When you're down at 120 or whatever we are in the ratings, those things really keep you going, and it's great to have that cult following. We may not be the most popular, but are fans are the definitley the most rabid.

InigoMontoya_fro asks: Is Joss Whedon really doing a walk-on or are you being mischievous with false spoilers?

Rob_Thomas replies: Ha! This one I would not lie about. Joss has really done it. He filmed it last week, and he was fantastic in the part. He said he was more nervous about this than just about anything else he's ever done. The scene called for him to kind of riff, going off on a rental car employee and he was awesome... Kevin Smith too. A half page of lines turned into about two pages. He was so great.

seba_88 asks: What can you tell us about Charisma Carpenter's character? Excellent casting choice, by the way!

Rob_Thomas replies: She's the trophee stepmother to Dick and Beaver Casablancas. She's a former Laker girl, which was her only form of income, besides the rich guys she's dated in the past and she looks really good...

Jen asks: Hey Rob! Love the show. Here’s my question, Besides Charisma and Joss will there be any other Buffy actors this season on Veronica Mars?

Rob_Thomas replies: Uh yeah. We just booked Alyson Hannigan for episode 9, playing once again Logan's sister and she's asked to guest direct one of the Neptune High School theater productions, but that ends up being not all that's going on and believe me, we'll bend over backwards to put her and Charisma in a scene together.

KuKuli asks: Is LoVe in the air?

Rob_Thomas replies: I can't really answer that question yet. You'll have to watch this week?

Kellee asks: Kristin Bell was robbed in Emmy Idol! VM just gets no respect

Rob_Thomas replies: I thought she was brilliant in Emmy Idol, but I would not have bet against Donald Trump. I, personally, think she was robbed in the Best Actress category, but...

Christina_from_L asks: I live in Lincoln, Nebraska and I am paying $8 a month just to get the UPN channel to watch your show! Will we ever find Lynn Echoll's body in the water, or is that being left alone for a possible future storyline?

Rob_Thomas replies: You heard it hear first: Lynn Echolls is dead. You know, Lisa Rinna knew when we cast her that that role was going to be two or three episodes and then she was going to die, and the reason we wanted to leave it a little unresolved is we needed Logan and Veronica to spend a lot of time together for some reason... and if I come up with a great storyline for Lynn Echolls in two or three season, maybe she'll come back alive, but...

Kimmee asks: Are we going to get shirtless Logan in season 2? Please?

Rob_Thomas replies: Yes we are! and on top of that, he's lookin' good. He got a trainer. I think that's worth mentioning!

ILoveVeronica asks: Why oh why did they decide to put VM against Lost? Why not leave it on Tuesday?

Rob_Thomas replies: Though it's a mixed blessing, we like being after America's Next Top Model. It's UPN's highest rated show and it's a vote of confidence that we've been put after them. I know that we share a lot of fans with Lost, but I think we'll do much better ratings after Top Model, rather than being paired with two sitcoms that really have nothing to do with us. Though it's a mixed bag, I'll take it.

rebecca asks: Papa Mars and Veronica have such a dynamic relationship. Did this develop from your own experiences?

Rob_Thomas replies: Um, no. Well, I should say I have a great relationship with my parents, but I'm an only child, so I never saw a father daughter relationship up close. Now, I have my own father daughter relationship, but Greta is, at this point, not quite as verbal as Veronica is! I think the credit for that relationship goes to the two actors. When they tested for those roles together, for the network, we saw the chemistry between [Kristin and Enrico]. They're pretty amazing.

Lucia asks: Part of the reason why Veronica always kept her guard up was the fact that she had been raped and kept it to herself, will she let her guard down a little now that she knows what happened?

Rob_Thomas replies: It's a tough question. My fear is always that Veronica will get soft, cause I don't think we want to see the sentimental Veronica Mars show, but at the same time, we want to be able to enjoy happy moments. But I think she's going into season two with a sort of rosy outlook, but events will conspire to give Veronica a harder sort of... You'll see a prickly Veronica in season two.

tvjunkie asks: Is there more than one BIG mystery this season? And, is the mystery more of a scandal than a murder?

Rob_Thomas replies: I will say that this year there are two mysteries. The first mystery is the bigger mystery, but the second mystery is less Veronica-centric and involves Logan more...

[Kika]

http://www.popgurls.com/article_show.php3?id=558

For many fans, a show is defined by its romantic relationships. How would you convince fans that the outcome of the Logan/Veronica/Duncan triangle isn't the heart of the show?

It may be for some people. I mean, I'm interested in it. It's funny because I've had a lot of negative reaction to the phrase "love triangle," I've gotten a lot of e-mails saying, "Oh, you're going to be Dawson's Creek and play this triangle out." I think it's all about execution. Some people do [love triangles] well and some people do it badly, and I hope we'll be one of the shows that does it well. It's never going to be the sort of teen show where there's a bunch of hand-wringing, "I can't decide which one to pick!" It's going to feed off of awkward situations and subtext and hopefully be interesting to the fans.

Describe the following using only one word each:

Veronica -- tough.
Wallace -- loyal.
Duncan -- pure.
Logan -- Is fucked up two words for Logan? (laughs) A mess.

Do you think there's any chance that Logan will have one iota of happiness in season two?

I think he had iotas in season one and there will definitely be moments of happiness in season two. I like Logan when he's tortured -- he becomes more interesting to me. Jason [Dohring] -– he's a real star. I think we've found the new Edward Norton.

You regularly visit message boards to see what people are saying about the show. How does that affect your mindset when you all sit down to do the episodes?

I enjoy feedback -- I want to know what's working and what's not. There are some comments that I take seriously and some that I don't. When someone is disappointed because they think we didn't execute something smoothly -- that I don't take very well. [I'm not so concerned] when the complaints are less about execution and more about what they want to the show.

I think you'd have very boring television if you took a fan poll for every decision you made. If you took an audience poll for Moonlighting, fans would want Dave and Maddie to get together in the first episode. There's such a thing as delayed gratification -- you have to keep that in mind [when writing] and remember what's good for the audience.

I really hope he does mean delayed gratification when he says it, because that last sentence reminds me so much of Joss.

[Platypus]

Thanks again Kika!

All I'll say is this - I still hate the parallels in my head that form when I see things like Duncan = pure, and Logan = fucked up.

[rolandro]

Kinda bummed. Satillite won't let me record LOST and watch VM at the same time.

Too bad, No-Fury Lost. You lost.

[Lovin' Lorne]

Kinda bummed. Satillite won't let me record LOST and watch VM at the same time.

Too bad, No-Fury Lost. You lost.


They are showing repeats of LOST later in the week, just like last year. You can probably catch it then, if you're so inclined.

[rolandro]

They are showing repeats of LOST later in the week, just like last year. You can probably catch it then, if you're so inclined.
Actually, it looks like my local UPN is rebroadcasting VM on Sat 10/1 - I haven't found any local info for a rebroadcast of Lost. . .
. . . but I just can't wait that long for VM! . . . but over on LOST they're doing the raft episode, which I really wanted them to pick up last week! Arrgh! Maybe it'll show up locally. That would be my preference. . .

Oh this is rediculous. I'm going to get SBC/Dish to send me a new Tivo receiver, end of story. That way, when JJ ends up going sideways with Lost, as I'm sure he'll do, I'll not only be pissed, but out some dough too.

[Kika]

From TV Guide (http://online.tvguide.com/listings/):

Driver's Ed

After Sheriff Lamb drops a bombshell at a press conference, Veronica gets embroiled in the accident investigation. In other events, Wallace helps a new student whose car was damaged in a hit-and-run incident; and mayoral candidate Woody Goodman asks Keith to run for sheriff. Kevin Smith has a cameo.

Cheatty Cheatty Bang Bang

Beaver hires Veronica to find out if Kendall is cheating on his dad, and, if so, with whom. In other events, Veronica joins the Future Business Leaders of America; Keith takes Alicia with him to Chicago; Duncan and Logan engage in fisticuffs; and Sheriff Lamb confronts Veronica about a dead man who has her name written on his palm.

[Kika]

New Kendall and Logan picture. It says 2x01, so they've either labelled it incorrectly or it's a cut scene.

http://www.an-unforgettable-obsession.com/auogallery/displayimage.php?album=493&pos=33

Guh.

[mef2101]

New Kendall and Logan picture. It says 2x01, so they've either labelled it incorrectly or it's a cut scene.

http://www.an-unforgettable-obsession.com/auogallery/displayimage.php?album=493&pos=33

Guh.

Damn. Quite erotic...

Just... damn.

Pretty much every heterosexual male's fantasy. Including mine.

I wonder what the REST of the scene is like...

[Mr.Brightside]

New Kendall and Logan picture. It says 2x01, so they've either labelled it incorrectly or it's a cut scene.

http://www.an-unforgettable-obsession.com/auogallery/displayimage.php?album=493&pos=33

Guh.

My god! Logan is one lucky guy :naughty:.

[rousedower]

Ok I took a peek at that still and I had to laugh. It looks ridiculous! I guess they're trying to make Kendall the Gabrielle of VM. Don't get me wrong this is nothing against CC, but I don't think her screwing around with a kid (and he looks like a kid) is sexy. Now if she were in bed with someone like DB, that'd be a different story. :D

[Freakface]

Ok I took a peek at that still and I had to laugh. It looks ridiculous! I guess they're trying to make Kendall the Gabrielle of VM. Don't get me wrong this is nothing against CC, but I don't think her screwing around with a kid (and he looks like a kid) is sexy. Now if she were in bed with someone like DB, that'd be a different story. :D

But if she was in bed with me, that would be great... :love:

But let me steer this thread to a slighty different direction:

They are planning to bring Alyson back for an episode or two. And they are going to have scene with Charisma. Anyone wants to speculate what the scene will be?

I have an idea: think Willow-Tara... :naughty:

[LaLa247]

I personally don't think Jason Dohring looks like a kid at all, but maybe that's just me. Seriously. These people are the oldest looking eighteen year olds on the planet. Not including the cast of Grease.

ETA: I also don't think KenLo (hee!) is as bad as ConCord, simply because Kendall wasn't changing Logan's diapers. Logan's just a bad, bad young man. :naughty:

Which reminds me- Logan is eighteen, right? Veronica just turned, so he must be, yes?

[KeyserSoze]

Which reminds me- Logan is eighteen, right? Veronica just turned, so he must be, yes?

No, Veronica is older than Logan. I think people deduced from ATttD that his 18th birthday is actually in January or February. By turning 18 before the school year starts, V's probably older than most of the kids in her class.

[Angela]

No, Veronica is older than Logan. I think people deduced from ATttD that his 18th birthday is actually in January or February. By turning 18 before the school year starts, V's probably older than most of the kids in her class.

By turning 18 before the school year starts, V was either retained or held back by her parents.

ETA: Any list of aged 18-year-olds has to include a good portion of the 90210 cast. Even the ones who WERE 18 looked considerably older by the time the show got there. Of course, Luke Perry was still hot, wrinkles and receding hairline and all. ;)

[Gabriella]

But if she was in bed with me, that would be great... :love:

But let me steer this thread to a slighty different direction:

They are planning to bring Alyson back for an episode or two. And they are going to have scene with Charisma. Anyone wants to speculate what the scene will be?

I have an idea: think Willow-Tara...
Ew!

What was that about steering this thread in the right direction? ;)

I think K/L works, and it certainly isn't like C/C, mainly for the reasons Lara stated. It's just baaad... :naughty:

[Kika]

I personally don't think Jason Dohring looks like a kid at all, but maybe that's just me. Seriously. These people are the oldest looking eighteen year olds on the planet. Not including the cast of Grease.

ETA: I also don't think KenLo (hee!) is as bad as ConCord, simply because Kendall wasn't changing Logan's diapers. Logan's just a bad, bad young man. :naughty:

Which reminds me- Logan is eighteen, right? Veronica just turned, so he must be, yes?

He definitely doesn't look like a kid to me, either. Kristen sometimes does (there's been some points where I think she truly does resemble a 15 year old) but I think this season's hair cut is making her look more her age.

As to Kendall/Logan, the fact Logan is still 17 is a bit of an issue, but otherwise it doesn't particularly bother me. Certainly not on the scale of ConCord. I guess in some small way, my sympathy towards Logan is probably making me look at it in a much more favourable light than I would had this happened with other people.

[Cantinera]

Logan/Kendall doesn't bother me that much, simply because I don't have any attachment to Kendall and she doesn't have the backstory of Cordelia. Just because it's Charisma doesn't mean ConCorde should taint a new storyline.

[Kika]

UPN press release for episode 3:

CASSIDY CASABLANCAS HIRES VERONICA TO DIG UP THE DIRT ON HIS SEXY STEPMOM KENDALL, BUT NEITHER ARE PREPARED FOR WHAT THEY FIND, ON "VERONICA MARS," WEDNESDAY, OCT. 12 ON UPN

Charisma Carpenter ("Angel") Guest Stars as Kendall Casablancas

"Cheatty Cheatty Bang Bang" -- Cassidy "Beaver" Casablancas believes that his sexy stepmother Kendall (guest star Charisma Carpenter) is cheating on his father, so he hires Veronica to investigate the situation, but neither are prepared for what they find, on VERONICA MARS, Wednesday, Oct. 12 (9:00-10:00 PM, ET/PT) on UPN. John Kretchmer directed the episode from a script written by Phil Klemmer & John Enbom.

While Keith and Alicia (guest star Erica Gimple) vacation in Chicago, Wallace begins to date Jackie, although Veronica isn't a big fan of Wallace's new girlfriend. Later, at Logan's house, Veronica learns something that changes everything she thinks she knows about the town's recent tragedy.

[silveragent]

Interesting. Seems Kristin will be sidelined as the show pushes Jason more. Hmm ... now where HAVE I seen that before?

Platy and I agree on one thing: Duncan isn't pure. But I just don't see how Logan burning down the community pool house is sympathetic (or Veronica dating him either) and as the "bad boyfriend" draws people in. I honestly think both Logan and Duncan characters should go. Too bad RT didn't have the guts to continue with his female character and had to water her down and sorta replace her. Love triangles also blow dramatically IMHO.

I am unimpressed by a CC/Aly scene. VM should stand on it's own and not be a bad Buffy episode.

Alan Ball disease. Everyone wants to be him.

[Kika]

Silveragent, I don't think this is the same situation. RT cut down on Kristen's scenes to give the girl a break. However much I like her, that's probably not such a bad thing. She works ridiculously long hours and, as he said before, they practically killed her last season.

As for the characters, I don't think they've watered Veronica down. She's like this way for a reason - she wants that normal life. The simple boyfriend, the school activities, the plain old job. Soon enough, she'll come to realise that which she longs for is not forthcoming and that she's an infinitely stronger person now than she ever was. Or so I hope. I can't see her being in this almost sleepwalking state forever.

[KeyserSoze]

Seriously, KB was working 80 hours a week and all the girl did was talk about how exhausted she was. Then she goes and shoots a movie all summer. She was in almost every single scene last season.

Ironically, Wallace is also apparently getting an interesting storyline of his own with Jackie, which I also assume would cut down on KB's workload. Also, while JD is being used to lighten KB's load, so is CC. She's of lead actress caliber and can carry scenes on her own and with Logan and the Casablancas so KB doesn't have to.

[Kika]

http://www.nypost.com/entertainment/28671.htm

September 29, 2005 -- THE other cliffhanger has dropped.

"Lost" and "Desperate Housewives" have given up their season-ending secrets. And now the fans of "Veronica Mars" know who is standing at her door when she opens it and says cryptically: "I was hoping it would be you."

Last night's season premiere answered the question when a beaten-and-bruised Logan Echolls was shown standing on the other side.

It nearly wasn't Logan, says series creator Rob Thomas.

"I must say that I didn't know who it was going to be at the end of last year," he says — Veronica's new best friend, Wallace Fennel, her ex-boyfriend, Duncan Kane, or her current flame, bad-boy Logan.

"When I [thought] that it was going to be Duncan, we could play the storyline that we couldn't last year — that he is clearly the boy that she's pined for.

"Then, I thought it would be a more interesting twist and a little more organic to have Logan at the door. He's certainly in need of comfort at that point, and I wanted to play out their relationship, start them on uneasy ground," says Thomas.

The season premiere also set up another season-long mystery: Why did the school bus drive off the cliff into the Pacific Ocean, and who really killed biker- gang member Felix? (At the moment, it seems that Logan is being set up to take the fall for the murder.)

Last season's mystery — who murdered Veroni ca's best friend — was a huge hit among the show's target audience, young women, and has established the series as the hippest new show of last year.

The new mystery, though, will play out much differently, says Thomas

"Veronica's going to have a different reaction to the bus crash," he says. "She's going to come to the conclu sion pretty early in the season that she's the one that was in tended to die and is motivated by this guilt that all these other people died in her place."

[Kika]

Yes, it's from Kristin but she can be right on occasion:

From briancr: Veronica Mars rocked! That was the best, most confusing opener ever.

Loved it. And fear not, LoVe shippers, Duncan and Veronica won't be together forever.

From cagedlemur: So, it was LoVe but turned into VD!

Oh my God. Hilarious.

From petrarch72: Okay, so are we talking a mild VD infection (two-five episodes) or something more serious?

Nothing worth seeing the doctor about.

From tvgirl: For those of us who actually like Duncan and Veronica together, I wanted to suggest DuV instead of VD. Lovebirds!

Sold.

From jerzeepnay: Veronica Mars! Please dish!

Yessir! Leave it to Beaver (Casablancas) to hire Veronica to find out if Kendall (Charisma Carpenter) is cheating on his dad. And during her investigation, Veronica's going to uncover something worse that neither of them expected. (Tsk, tsk, Logan.)

From havealittlefaith: Will C.C.'s character serve any purpose other than being Logan's new gal-pal?

I have my suspicions...One theory floating around is that she may have wanted Veronica dead. Not to mention, why did Logan say he was going to "miss" her? All speculations, but something to think about!

[LaLa247]

So, it was LoVe but turned into VD! And this is why D/V is oh-so-worth it. :lol:

There is something very Buffy-esque about Veronica wanting to be "normal". She goes with boring, dependable <strike>Riley</strike> Duncan, but there's going to be a hold on the less-normal, dangerous, hawt (and even loyal and ever-lasting) relationship with <strike>Angel</strike> <strike>Spike</strike> Logan. Veronica can never be normal, not after the year she had.

And to be honest, who can she depend on to go on sleuthy adventures with her? :eyebrow:

ETA: Kendall wants Veronica dead? But why? Did she have a thing with Aaron "Psycho Killa" Echolls? I don't see the connection.

[Kika]

And to be honest, who can she depend on to go on sleuthy adventures with her? :eyebrow:

According to the latest sides for episode 8 (titled "Ahoy Mateys") it would be Logan. Who "saves" her. With a gun. I just love the line he comes out with "Stop! ... I've had a very bad year." Heh.

Also, Duncan is a little shit who is having dreams about Meg. Way to make me dislike you more.

ETA: Kendall wants Veronica dead? But why? Did she have a thing with Aaron "Psycho Killa" Echolls? I don't see the connection.

I think that's just Kristin speculating again, so I wouldn't put too much effort into making sense out of it.

[LaLa247]

How did ya get a hold of the sides, Kika? I want to read the spoiler-y sides...

So, they're really going to be pushing the love triangle thing, huh? I just hope it isn't like some other shows where it's stretched out for the whole series run.

And damn Wrongda for making me believe something that's not confirmed to begin with.

[Kika]

They have them up at nowcasting.com, which you can access for free. If you don't want to register there <strike>with totally fake details because you're supposed to be a Union actor</strike> send me a PM and I'll pass them along.

[Kika]

http://tvguide.com/News/Insider

Question: No question; just a note to say: Thank you for the Best Season Premiere of Any Show, Ever. A fine hour of television. — Cliff1
Rob Thomas: Wow. Cool. Thanks.

Question: How many episodes will Alyson Hannigan be doing this season? I've only heard of one so far. And will we see Aaron Echolls' trial at all? — Shannon
Thomas: It's difficult to work around Alyson's "other" show's schedule, but we've got a great story line for her in Episode 9. So far that's all we have planned.

Question: I love Mac (Tina Majorino). Will she be back on the show this season? Please say yes. — Shannon
Thomas: She will. She has a small appearance in Episode 4, then a larger appearance in Episode 9. And there will be several more after that.

Question: The Season 2 premiere was awesome, but I have a question: Was Logan who Veronica thought was going to be at the door? There's an ongoing debate about this. Some say she acts surprised that it's him, but others say she just acts that way because she can tell something's wrong with him. So which is it? — Carli
Thomas: It's because he's beaten and bloody.

Question: Veronica sounded a mite confused when she said Logan's name as he stood in the shadow. Did she think he was someone else at first? — Jon
Thomas: See above.

Question: How long do we have to watch Veronica and Duncan together? We all want her back with Logan! — Mallissia
Thomas: You don't all want to see that. I read the message boards. But I must say, on a personal level, that I think Veronica and Logan are a lot of fun when they're testy with each other.

Question: Are we going to see Wallace's mom this season? Is there any chance of wedding bells for Keith? — Sharon
Thomas: You are going to see plenty of Mrs. Fennell starting in Episode 2. As for the second part of the question — it wouldn't be any fun if I told you.

Question: What kinds of sparks are going to fly when Alyson's and Charisma's characters confront each other later in the season? — Kevin
Thomas: Great. Multicolored. Kick-ass sparks.

Question: Are you surprised by how fanatical viewers are for this show after just one season? — David
Thomas: Yes. It never ceases to blow me away, though I am a guy who can get obsessive about TV myself. I've probably watched the British version of The Office 20 times. Same with Freaks and Geeks, Arrested Development, The Sopranos. There was a period when I forced everyone who came to my house to watch The Office pilot. It's heady stuff to know that there are some people who feel similarly about Veronica.

Question: Love the show and I'm in my thirties! I'm wondering if you will please use Kristen's singing abilities again? Last season's rendition of "One Way or Another" was awesome! — Susan
Thomas: Nothing's on the books for her to sing right now, but we wouldn't shy away from it.

Question: I'm 17 and I love your show. Since almost everyone who knows good television says that VM is the new Buffy, are you planning to do a musical some time in the future, like Buffy did in Season 6? Kristen has a good voice, so I hope you do one. — Henry
Thomas: Jason [Dohring], Francis [Capra] and Teddy [Dunn] say they don't sing. Percy [Daggs III] can a bit. I don't think I have enough singers in the cast to do a musical episode. If we were to do one, look for it in Season 6.

Question: Were Duncan and Lilly Kane twins? As Duncan, Logan, and Veronica are now seniors, Lilly's death would have occurred during their sophomore year. Was Lilly also a sophomore? Or is this one of those TV questions nobody is supposed to ask, similar to the way the 90210 kids did their junior year twice? — E.B.
Thomas: Lilly was one year older than Duncan — a grade ahead of Veronica, Logan and Duncan. And, hey, Veronica is going into her senior year right on schedule, and we only plan on having one of them.

Question: Do you already know who is responsible for the bus going over the cliff, or do you have several possibilities so you can make a definite decision later on? — Kari
Thomas: We absolutely know.

Question: Are there any other guys you could see Veronica with, or is it just Duncan/Logan for now? — Lisa
Thomas: Veronica's love life will be tricky and rocky. That's all I'd like to give away at this point.

[KeyserSoze]

There's a great interview with JD up here (http://spaces.msn.com/members/tvfilter/) where he talks about different aspects of the show, working with KB, and also mentions CC:

TVF: Now it looks like they put you together with Charisma Carpenter's character. That must be a pretty good rebound relationship for you.

JD: Yeah, it's a pretty good rebound relationship. I think so many terrible things have happened it's almost hard to put it in the context of reality. His father beats him. His mother commits suicide. His father sleeps with his girlfriend and kills her. He goes to jail. He tries to kill his present girlfriend and he tries to jump off a bridge. It's wild. How many things can happen to one guy? So any kind of compassion or love, Jesus, he's looking for something. And I think that Veronica holds the key to that. I think there's temporary relationships but I don't think anybody can quite understand him like she does. I think that's what it's all about is: getting into a real relationship with love.

TVF: So what's it like to work the scenes with Charisma Carpenter?

JD: It's cool. Wait till you see the one on Wednesday night. Tomorrow. It's going to get hot and heavy. There's a lot of great stuff coming up, man.

TVF: OK, throw me a bone here. Hint at some of the stuff.

JD: Oh I don't know. This is always the hard part of interviews because I don't know what to say or not. I think it's going to end up messy, but just great storylines along the way. The dialogue coming up is so funny. It's just hilarious. It's so funny. Especially the episode we're on right now. I think it's number seven. Diane Ruggiero wrote it. She's just wonderful at writing. So damn clever.

I'm glad to hear that they're going to play up the comedy. I think CC would do a great job with that so I hope they toss some more funny lines her way.

[Kika]

http://online.tvguide.com/listings/

Green Eyed Monster

Veronica bucks her dad's order not to go investigate a blonde heiress's potential fiance and tests the man's resolve by tarting herself up. Elsewhere, Alicia asks Keith if she can borrow a gun to protect herself from the mystery man; Keith alerts Sheriff Lamb that the is man wanted in Chicago; and Veronica hides "like a hooker" in Duncan's bedroom when he receives a late-night visitor to his hotel suite.

[Platypus]

I'm about to go relatively unspoiled for the rest of the season for this show, and so I'll be checking out of this thread, but just a word the wise on casting sides - Rob Thomas has managed to figure out after only one season what Joss Whedon couldn't over the course of multiple years - it is possible to issue casting sides with completely made-up dialogue, or by switching around character's lines, etc.. They've already done it this year on more than one occasion, so even though casting sides used to be the most reliable of spoilers, take everything you read there now with a few grains of salt!

[v120176]

Here upu have the screencaps of the trailer for the next week (the one where one of Kendall's stepsons hires VM to see if Kendall is cheatting his dad)

Seems that there will be more Logan/Kendall "action"... see the pictures sequence: http://neptunesite.com/cheattrailer30.htm

[Penny Century]

Yeesh. Dast I hope this will be the end of Icky Twerp's Slam-Bang Theater?

[LaLa247]

Charisma looks pretty here (http://neptunesite.com/cheattrailer31.htm). And yeah, it looks like L/K is ovah. And now we can see what Kendall is really up to. ;)

Nothing new here (http://www.tvsquad.com/2005/10/05/spoilers-anonymous/), but it's just what we knew about next week's episode: For some Veronica Mars scoop, Kristin says that a Logan/Veronica reunion may very well happen this season. Hey, I'd like to see something go right for that kid this season, for once. Also, she tells us that Beaver will eventually hire Veronica to find out if Kendall is cheating on his dad, and "during her investigation, Veronica's going to uncover something worse that neither of them expected."

[Mr.Brightside]

Charisma looks pretty here (http://neptunesite.com/cheattrailer31.htm). And yeah, it looks like L/K is ovah. And now we can see what Kendall is really up to. ;)

CC looks great in this screencap! She looks naked hmm..... :naughty:

[tojoson]

IMDB now lists these episodes in Charisma's listings

Veronica Mars. episode "Normal Is the Watchword" (#2.1), 28 September 2005
Veronica Mars. episode "Driver Ed" (#2.2), 5 October 2005
Veronica Mars. episode "Cheatty Cheatty Bang Bang" (#2.3), 12 October 2005

Veronica Mars. episode "Nobody Puts Baby in the Corner" (#2.7), 2005
Veronica Mars. episode "A Job Waiting to Be Finished" (#2.8)
Veronica Mars. episode (#2.9), November 2005

i hope there's more to come

[Kika]

UPN press release:

Episode Title: "Green-Eyed Monster"

WHILE DEALING WITH HER OWN RELATIONSHIP ISSUES, VERONICA HELPS A YOUNG WOMAN DISCERN HER NEW FIANCÉ'S INTENTIONS BY POSING AS A SEXY, AVAILABLE COED, ON "VERONICA MARS," WEDNESDAY, OCT. 19 ON UPN

"Green-Eyed Monster" -- While dealing with her own feelings of jealousy regarding Duncan, Veronica helps a young woman who believes that her new fiancé is secretly after her fortune by sifting through his background and even posing as a sexy, available coed to entrap the guy, on VERONICA MARS, Wednesday, Oct. 19 (9:00-10:00 PM, ET/PT) on UPN. Jason Bloom directed the episode from a script written by Dayna Lynne North.

Meanwhile, Alicia turns to Keith for help after being spooked by a mysterious stranger. Later, under pressure, Weevil tells Veronica that he received an anonymous call regarding the bus crash.

[KeyserSoze]

Seeing her episode listing with that 4 episode gap in the middle is making me speculate that episode 3 might be the end of the sexual relationship as it stands now. I think 7-9 might deal more with the post-fling fallout with the Casablancas and everyone else, plus Kendall's real motivation behind the whole thing in the first place.

[tojoson]

more listings for CC in VM from IMDB

Veronica Mars episode "Normal Is the Watchword" (#2.1), 28 September
Veronica Mars episode "Driver Ed" (#2.2), 5 October 2005
Veronica Mars episode "Cheatty Cheatty Bang Bang" (#2.3), 12 October
Veronica Mars episode "Green-Eyed Monster" (#2.4), 19 October 2005

Veronica Mars episode "Rat Saw Dog" (#2.6), 2005
Veronica Mars episode "Nobody Puts Baby in the Corner" (#2.7), 2005
Veronica Mars episode "Ahoy Mateys" (#2.8), 2005

Veronica Mars episode "A Job Waiting to Be Finished" (#2.8)
Veronica Mars episode (#2.9), November 2005
Veronica Mars episode "Death in a Taxi" (#2.10), January 2006

tv,com lists episode
5 as rat saw dog
6 as nobody puts baby in the corner
7 as ahoy mateys

i can't speak for the accuracy, but she IS in the listings
hope it's true

Allison Hannigan is listed as appearing in episode 9


ETA:--oct . 14

IMDB has just listed another show with CC as guest
Veronica Mars episode "Everybody Cries Wolf", February 2006

that now totals 11, i do hope they're accurate

[LaLa247]

Some more Kristen, not sure if this was posted yet:

From hniki234: Any spoilers for Veronica Mars? I absolutely love that show!
Adore it! A main character is still going away after about 12 episodes or so. I think some of you will be really unhappy.


From moonofblue: You lied to us about VD last week. It got all irritated on Wednesday night, and I was forced to consult a doctor because of the emotional toll it took on me. The small dose of penicillin that I received shortly afterward did not erase the memory of contracting it. Seriously, do you really know how much more Veronica-Duncan we have to suffer through? I don't want the relationships on my favorite show to leave me unsatisfied, you know, much like Veronica was last week.
Simmadown now! It may take a while, but I promise you won't be itching for long. And for the record, I adore Duncan and will not refer to them as VD but instead as Love DuVs. So there!


From cateydid: More Veronica!
As the weeks go on, we meet more friends and family members whose loved ones were victims of the bus accident, including a boy who was in love with another boy who lost his life.So who is it? We know for sure that Keith, Veronica, and Logan are appearing in all twenty-two, right? Is Wallace?

Is it Duncan or Weevil? If it's Jackie, I wouldn't complain. But...they better not touch my Weevil. :love:

[Annie]

So who is it? We know for sure that Keith, Veronica, and Logan are appearing in all twenty-two, right? Is Wallace?

I think it's Duncan. I think I remember hearing somewhere that Teddy Dunn was only signed on for 12 eps.

[KeyserSoze]

These spoilers initially came out over the summer. Kristin has already confirmed that it's not Weevil being written off. Based on sides, I think it's possible that PD might not be in episode 6, so I think he's the one getting scaled back from 22 to 16 eps. With the addition of Jackie, we know Wallace isn't going anywhere.

They seem to be spacing out Weevil's eps so he'll get more prominence when the Felix case picks up again. I think they're trying to backload his episodes so he can be around for the final third of the season when the case gets closer to being resolved.

I think Duncan's getting scaled back from 16 to 12 and is leaving early. For him to not be written off, he would have to start missing episodes along the way and with him dating Veronica, that doesn't seem to be happening.

[v120176]

Ok, this is from Wrongda (so take in consideration the source)



From Irene: Although I absolutely love snarky Logan-Veronica, will we get to see some good romantic scenes with these two this season?

Fear not, it won't be long before LoVe is on speaking terms and spending time together--less than a month. And it's less than a season before we see some serious sparkage flying once more. But there are some devastating things that must happen first. Just you wait. You're gonna freak


I wonder what happens with Kendall in all this... and if she's related to the freaky thing

also:


From wtroberts: Hello, hello, way over here in row three. Give us some love! Have you said if it is a male or female that is leaving Veronica Mars?

Hello. Hello. Hello. Can you hear me...hear me, hear me? I haven't said. But I will--it's a male.

[LaLa247]

Devastating thing: It has to do with Felix's murder (we need an answer, dammit!)- Logan's going to get arrested again and Veronica's gonna have to prove his innocence (which, really, she should've done when she first found out about it). That's my prediction.

Although...why the hell is Kendall in all these eps coming up? We need more spoilers, dammit!

Hello. Hello. Hello. Can you hear me...hear me, hear me? I haven't said. But I will--it's a male. Duncan, Duncan, Duncan!

[Emmangel]

Duncan, Duncan, Duncan!
We can dream.

[v120176]

Here's a picture of Joss at VM
http://online.tvguide.com/news/popup_aus.asp?popDate=051019'%20,%20'bookSigning', %20420,%20233,%20'no'

[psychofilly]

Joss has a big forehead. And it looks like he's lost weight. That is all.

[Mr.Brightside]

Joss looks like a little kid in that pic....but it does look like he lost weight.

[Kika]

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/cgi/pr.cgi?id=20051019upn01

Wednesday, Nov. 9 (9:00-10:00 PM, ET/PT) VERONICA MARS -- Veronica comes to the aid of Abel Koontz, the man originally convicted of Lilly Kane's murder, who is now looking for his missing daughter. One of the girls from TOP MODEL makes a guest appearance as does Joss Whedon, and Harry Hamlin returns as Aaron Echolls.
Wednesday, Nov. 30 (9:00-10:00 PM, ET/PT) VERONICA MARS -- Veronica stumbles upon her mother's high school records and finds an intriguing, troubling report that leads Veronica to investigate the past. Alyson Hannigan returns as Trina Echolls and Charisma Carpenter guest star.

[LaLa247]

[...] and Harry Hamlin returns as Aaron Echolls. Woo hoo! Psycho killah returns! But, what's up with all the freakin' ANTM cast-offs?

I see Whedon, I see evil, so...

ETA: New Rob Thomas Q&A! (http://tvguide.com/News/Insider/default.htm?rmDate=10192005) Question: Have you ever thought of having Veronica get together with Weevil or Wallace? — Karen
Thomas: Yes.

Question: Where is Veronica's dog, Backup? — Jeff
Thomas: He keeps leaving the room just before Veronica enters. You'll see him in Episode 5.

[Kika]

http://www.tvguide.com/News/AskAusiello/default.htm?rmDate=10262005

Question: What the hell?! I just read that a major character will be leaving Veronica Mars and some fans will not be happy. Any scoop? — Kim

Ausiello: First I'm hearing of it. When I spoke to Rob Thomas back in June (Ask Ausiello 6/22), he denied rumors that a principal cast member was getting cut. He did, however, acknowledge that "in order to make the budget work, a number of actors on the show lost a few episodes in their contracts." For example, Francis Capra (Weevil) will only appear in 12 episodes this season, down from 16 last year. I suppose one way to accommodate such a shortfall would be to send Weevil on vacation for a few months, but that's pure speculation. I'll let you know if I hear anything else.

Either somebody is feeding Wrongda a whole load of rubbish (not unlikely) or the cast and crew are good liars.

[Andromeda7_4]

Either somebody is feeding Wrongda a whole load of rubbish (not unlikely) or the cast and crew are good liars.

Well, it seems likely they'll need to get rid of SOMEBODY!
They've added several new regulars, and there's also quite a few recurring characters who need screentime.

And, Rob Thomas has said that there isn't much money.

I'm betting they write someone off midseason after all.

[Mr.Brightside]

Kendall Casablancas to be in sex scene with both Duncan and Veronica?

http://www.slayerverse.org/tanet/net_buffy_us/?navi=news.php&id=27142

[Shadow4Corangela]

Kendall Casablancas to be in sex scene with both Duncan and Veronica?

http://www.slayerverse.org/tanet/net_buffy_us/?navi=news.php&id=27142
There's also a rumor going around that CC and Aly's characters could be having a fling.

Kendall sleeping w/ Veronica/Duncan I cannot buy. But, Kendall having a fling with Trina I can buy. :naughty:

[Mr.Brightside]

There's also a rumor going around that CC and Aly's characters could be having a fling.

I would definitely love to see that :naughty:.

[tojoson]

interview with Dohring where he talks about AH and CC

here (http://thevastwasteland.blogspot.com/2005/10/buffy-reunion-on-veronica-mars.html)

this is a CC and AH specific excerpt, there is a link thingy to the whole article

[v120176]

Guys this is Wrongda and we know RT is writing fakes sides to despite people, but do you remember the true or not question about "Kendall is sleeping with Duncan and VM?

Here's the answer, and if this is true, Kendall is starting to be a very, VERY twisted interesting character:


Kristin_Veitch: Okay, um FUNNY THING about this item. Originally, I had written it to be CORRECT, but somehow, either in copy-editor land or my own cold-medicine-saturated noggin’, one of the words was changed to make this incorrect. But if you change one word (and not the word sex), this one is true.

Some fans (the major part) thinks she wrote originally "Kendal has sex with Dincan ON VM"
I think the good guy thing from Duncan is a facade.
And Kendal, she has the potential to be one of the most interesting characters. The press said she's like Cordy but without all the influence of BTVS or ATS. I think Cordy, obviously had a good heart deep down. And she always had money (the early Cordy).
Kendall doesn't have a good heart. And HUGE difference: Kendall was poor always and wanted money at all cost.
From what we saw, the pre-nup couldn't have any influence because Kendall knew Big Dick illegal bussines, so if Dick was stupid enough to try to let her without money, she had him with that. I think those two ended married for a society bussines more than anything (he didn't even care about Logan/Kendall pictures but the fact that she was followed by a private investigator)..
So, now Kendall ends without the money she had, thanks to Veronica. Also Duncan has all the reasons to try to hurt Logan's family (even if it was Logan's father, at one point, you revenge against all). So, Kendall probably would want VM go down and Duncan maybe make Logan pay.. The question is Kendall is helping Duncan to set up Logan too? And since when?

[Penny Century]

There's also a rumor going around that CC and Aly's characters could be having a fling.

I think that's just Freakface spreading the wishful thinking around. ;)

[LaLa247]

I think the good guy thing from Duncan is a facade.
He's also batshit crazy.

I think you may be on to something- Kendall would want revenge on Veronica, for obvious reasons. And Duncan...why does he suddenly want to be friends with Logan again (only to give him that dirty look in the last episode)? :eyebrow:

So, what was the rumor? Duncan and Veronica both sleep with Kendall? At the same time, or at different times? Seriously, this makes all the difference.

I think that's just Freakface spreading the wishful thinking around. Heh. I would at least aim high- Kendall and Veronica. Aim for the hotties!

[v120176]

The rumor or spoiler, again from Wrongda, comes from that True or foil that she did for Halloween.

In one sentence she wrote: "Kendal has sex with duncan and Veronica Mars". She said at the chat that something funny happened. The original sentence was CORRECT but became FALSE because, somewhere in the middle ONE WORD was changed, and it was not SEX.

There are two possitions: The major part seems to thinks the wrong word is WITH Veronica. They think it's ON Veronica Mars.

Others thinks the wrong word is Veronica, so they changed that for VM's father...

I think it's the first one.

[Penny Century]

For what it's worth, Wrongda (Now More Than Ever!™) didn't say the "one" word wasn't replaced by more than one word. I think it's that Kendall has sex with Duncan in front of Veronica.

Then again, it's Wrongda (Now More Than Ever!™). Consider the source.

[Platypus]

I'm supposed to be spoiler free... but I'm cracking.

Nevertheless, I just thought I'd weigh in to say that, given the source is Wrongda, the word change is probably "has" and it changes to something completely trivial like "discusses", i.e. Kendall discusses sex with Duncan and Veronica. Which could mean nothing more than Kendall saying to the two of them: "Yes, I'm having sex with Logan. What's it to you? It keeps my heart in the red zone."

[LaLa247]

I think it's that Kendall has sex with Duncan in front of Veronica.
Huh. I geniunely don't know how to feel about that. :lol: Although, if this is the case, I can say I always knew Veronica labeled the wrong guy her "bad boyfriend". If this leads to a Veronica/Kendall showdown, I'm all for it. I could care less about her confrontation with Trina- go straight to Veronica.

OH, and this could be good, if only because Veronica is feeling in a vengeful mood lately. I would really like to see Kendall and Veronica throw down (and frankly, I want to see CC do something more than be naked and snarky).

But, this is Wrongda. Grain of salt, grain of salt."Yes, I'm having sex with Logan. What's it to you? It keeps my heart in the red zone." HA!

ETA: Also from Wrongda:

Kendall (Charisma) is going to share screen time with Trina (Alyson), along with Duncan and Logan as she tries to sell a Maserati for quick cash. And apparently, Charisma and Alyson will get a bit snippy with each other.

[...]

But there are some devastating things that must happen beforehand [before L/V happens again]. Just you wait. You're gonna freak.

ETA2: Okay, I'm not saying that Kendall is a golddigger (but she ain't messin' with no broke...), but what if she moves on to Duncan? If she's selling a Maserati for cash, she's clearly out of a comfortable lifestyle, yes? And, we know that Logan's psycho dad is in the next ep, so let's say Harry Hamlin cuts off Logan from his cash completely (for any number of reasons) - and that leaves Logan with his mom's $100 grand, his car, and that's it. Logan is no longer an 09er, and therefore, no longer rich, rich, rich. Duncan is. And he's batshit crazy.

Am I too far off?

[v120176]

Update from Spoilerfix

Episode 7


Veronica tries to discover the identity of an abused child after Duncan learns that Meg baby-sat for a couple who mistreated their child. Also, Veronica meets with Logan's mysterious 911 caller; Dick and Beaver's real mom shows up unexpectedly, much to Kendall's dismay; Woody tells Keith that he wants to incorporate Neptune and envisons Keith as its chief of police

and another description for this episode is


Veronica and Duncan discover that the still-comatose Meg had been babysitting an abused child, leading Veronica to take on an unfamiliar role as a babysitter to determine the kid's identity. Meanwhile, Kendall (guest star Charisma Carpenter) continues her affair with Logan as her stepsons Dick and Cassidy learn the details of their trust fund. Later, Woody Goodman (guest star Steve Guttenberg) makes Keith another intriguing offer

Episode 8


Veronica helps Keith determine who is haunting a school bus crash victim's parents, currently embroiled in a suit against the school district for negligence. Meanwhile, after Logan asks for help fighting the murder charge against him, Veronica stumbles into a dangerous situation with the local Irish mob. Later, Weevil's leadership of the P.C.H. Bike Club Boyz is put into question. Tina Majorino ("Napoleon Dynamite") guest stars as Mac.

Episode 11: Donut Run


A popular teen called Rashard is in town. His nice limo drive with hot girls is interrupted by his uncle and manager Rucker. The latter thinks the girls are only with Rashard for his money. The boy wants to go to a fraternity party later in the week. His uncle agrees to it if Rashard thinks with his head and not... for the remainder of the week. At the party, Rashard meets with Wallace. It seems the two were friends before. Rashard is pissed at something Wallace did (it seems that the latter did something that may have put Rashard's career in jeopardy).

[Platypus]

Three things, and then I'm going to go back to being semi-spoiler free:

(1) Woody REALLY wants Keith as sheriff/chief of police/whatever, doesn't he? I wonder why...

(2) Completely guessing, but those spoilers for episode 11 sound fake. I'm sure the spoiler source is valid, i.e. they came from casting sides, but it sounds like Rob Thomas and company circulated fake casting sides again. Not sure why I think that, but I do.

(3) On the other hand, if the rumours/speculation are true about Teddy Dunn (Duncan) leaving the show mid-season, which would be around or just after Episode 11, then the title "Donut Run" is hysterical.

[jujube1013]

i understand that ATM is on upn also but do we have to have their castoffs on VM. i've never watched the show so i'd be wondering why we have such bad actresses on. that first one was horrible. hey maybe jackie is a castoff, that would be the only explanation why they hired her.

[LaLa247]

(2) Completely guessing, but those spoilers for episode 11 sound fake. I'm also in the camp that thinks these sides are fakes. The title is real, but RT is nobody's fool. He knows the fans are reading the sides with their mad skillz.
(3) On the other hand, if the rumours/speculation are true about Teddy Dunn (Duncan) leaving the show mid-season, which would be around or just after Episode 11, then the title "Donut Run" is hysterical.Hee. I personally just love that Duncan's nickname is "Donut". Get it? Get it?

[v120176]

From Wrongda: http://www.eonline.com/Insider/Boards/ann.jspa?annID=241


Just found out that Lucy Lawless (you know, the Warrior Princess) is guest starring in the Jan. 18 episode of VERONICA MARS, entitled "Donut Run," written and directed by EP/creator Rob Thomas. She's going to play Agent Morris, a tough, cool, seasoned FBI agent who comes to Neptune to take lead on a kidnapping case that hits close to home with the Mars family. Lamb and Agent Morris will seriously clash during the investigation.

Lucy films her episode next week.

And oh yeah, when you find out who is kidnapped – and how – you’re going to scream, die and have to change your shorts (maybe not in the order). It ties into the double ending thing I told you about in the Nov. 30 episode. It is so outrageous I’m having a hard time believing they’re actually going to do this INSANITY!

[LaLa247]

LL on VM? HELLS YEAH.

I wonder who gets kidnapped.

[silveragent]

Wallace of course. He's already BEEN kidnapped. His Dad doesn't have custody.

[jujube1013]

isn't wallace 18 or close to it, plus he chose to go with his dad. i think it's whoever is suppose to be leaving the show.

[LaLa247]

I don't think it's Wallace. "Donut Run" is episode 11 or 12, and I think Wallace is found by then.

Opening scene from "Nobody Puts Baby in a Corner" is up (http://www.upn.com/upn_video/insider/index.php?page=nav&chap=14786&cat=13)

And here we finally have the triangle in play. Duncan catches Logan and Veronica coming out of the bathroom together...and he doesn't care? Duncan! SHOW SOME EMOTION!

[Andromeda7_4]

I suspect Duncan will kidnap Meg and take her on the run.
It's doable, with his $$$.

That way he's gone, but not forgotten.

[v120176]

Checking some VM board to know more about CC, I found this post at http://p092.ezboard.com/flvvmfrm52.showMessage?topicID=122.topic


From TLP70
This may not come as a great surprise to many of you since the spec. on this has been going on for awhile now, but I want to let you know that I do have confirmation that...

Meg IS pregnant!!

I don't have any specifics on the reveal and I'm not even exactly sure what episode we find out in. My best guess is ep. 9 since that is the last one during the Sweeps period.

[LaLa247]

I do question the validity of that spoiler because of the board it's posted at, if anything. However, considering it's a mod who spilled the beans, I do wonder if they would risk their "cred" to say something that wasn't remotely true.

Where's the CC stuff, v120176? All I'm seeing is Duncan and Meg stuff- did I miss it?

[v120176]

Sorry, I posted the thread link, it's mostly a LoVe site, but it was the best place, except TWOP maybe, where I find VM spoilers.....
Until now, NOTHING NEW ABOUT CC (I was there just checking and saw this ;) )

[blackonyx]

I hope it's true about Doh!nut.....dont like him much, and although I do like Meg, if hes gone to be with her then...te miro meg! I wish it were Logan kidnapping Veronica for a "i know where meant to be together and I wont let you go till you admit you still have feelings for me". though I do admit its cheesy and campy and there is NO WAY that would happen. I can still dream though.

[LaLa247]

Allisin asks: Veronica Mars!! We know there is a big twist coming up, which characters (besides Veronica) will be involved?

Kristin_Veitch replies: Actually, it will affect almost EVERYONE. Veronica, Daddy Mars, Duncan, Logan … you name it. Oh, and someone who is not a series regular. You guys, seriously, you’re going to *DIE* when you see it!


tvjunkie1577 asks: VM-when does Wallace come back?
Kristin_Veitch replies: It's not Wallace who's disappearing for good ...


]diggity asks: More VM scoop!

Kristin_Veitch replies: Lisa Rinna’s got a busy month coming up. Not only will we see her back on Veronica Mars in January, [...] Yep, Logan's dead mother. Flashback, or yet another cruel way to torture Logan?

And on the Who's Out pool- it's now not Veronica, Keith, Logan, OR Wallace. That leaves...Duncan? :eyebrow:

ETA: I really hope it's not one of those "Oh, you THOUGHT Aaron was Lilly's killer but it's actually Duncan- FOOLED YOU!!111!" type of things.

And, as far as we know (from Wrongda), there's a twist in a Nov. ep (if I recall correctly), and one in January, whether it's the ep with Lisa Rinna or the ep with Lucy Lawless, I dunno. By the by, what is the FBI doing in Neptune? This can't be just any kidnapping- the suspense is killing me!

[Andromeda7_4]

By the by, what is the FBI doing in Neptune? This can't be just any kidnapping- the suspense is killing me!


Wouldn't the FBI be involved if the kidnapper took the victim across state lines?
I think they would.

[Kika]

UPN press release:

VERONICA STUMBLES ON HER MOTHER’S PERMANENT RECORD AT SCHOOL AND LEARNS THAT SHE MIGHT NOT HAVE KNOWN HER MOTHER AT ALL, ON "VERONICA MARS," WEDNESDAY, NOV. 30 ON UPN

Alyson Hannigan ("How I Met Your Mother") Returns as Trina Echolls, Reuniting with Her "Buffy The Vampire Slayer" Co-Star Charisma Carpenter

Tina Majorino ("Napoleon Dynamite") Guest Stars as Veronica's Classmate Mac and Lisa Thornhill ("CSI: Miami") Returns as Celeste Kane

"My Mother, The Fiend" -- After Veronica gets busted for breaking into the school office and ordered in detention to reorganize the school’s files, she stumbles on her mother’s permanent record and learns that she was suspended for reasons that cause Veronica to further question everything she knows about her mom, on VERONICA MARS, Wednesday, Nov. 30 (9:00-10:00 PM, ET/PT) on UPN. Nick Marck directed the episode from a script written by Phil Klemmer & Dayna Lynne North. Tina Majorino guest stars as Veronica’s classmate Mac and Lisa Thornhill returns as Celeste Kane.

Meanwhile, with production of her "Aaron Echolls Story" TV movie underway, Trina Echolls (guest star Alyson Hannigan) returns to direct a Neptune High play and takes an immediate dislike to Logan’s new flame Kendall Casablancas (guest star Charisma Carpenter). Later, Weevil confronts Logan directly about Felix’s murder.

[tojoson]

according to tvguide listings, CC is in VM tonight, and we know she is in ep#9 in 2 weeks,

that means we have to wait till january for her last (???) appearance

haitus sucks

ETA:
just looked on IMDB in the guest appearances, and CC is listed for the next 3 episodes including tonight's

then she comes back in January in 'Death in a Taxi"
then in February in 'Everybody Cries Wolf' with a second appearance by Alyson Hannigan

so far thet adds up to 8 episodes

[Mr.Brightside]

according to tvguide listings, CC is in VM tonight

Well that's great to here, wasn't enough Kendall in VM.

[Kika]

Preview for "Ahoy Mateys" (http://www.a-beautiful-disaster.net/vmpreview.wmv)

Opening scene from "Ahoy Mateys" (http://www.upn.com/upn_video/insider/video.php?chap=14788)

[LaLa247]

"Did Duncan go to bed?"
"Yes, and he wanted me to tell you to give me your undivided attention."

Hee! Veronica and Logan need to run off together.

Anywhooooo, some pics of AH, CC, and JD in 2x09: My Mother, the Fiend here (http://ifmagazine.com/new.asp?article=2475).

<img src= "http://img431.imageshack.us/img431/2369/veronicamarscarpenterdohringmy.jpg">

ETA: And from the same episode, from NeptuneSite: - The war between Logan and Weevil heats up, and someone ends up taped naked to the flagpole. I am SO glad they're bringing back the flagpole thing. :grin:

[LaLa247]

*bump*

From Wrongda's chat tonight:

richieice asks: Veronica Mars?
Kristin_Veitch replies: Mastermind (genius, friend) Rob Thomas tells me this week’s episode is his favorite EVER – how’s THAT for an endorsement? But adds that the network feels the same about next week’s. So we’ll just have to see who has the better taste! As for this week’s ep, Rob says, “The A story is about a set of parents who come into the Mars investigation. Their son died on the bus crash and now somebody’s leaving voicemail messages from their son on their answering machine, and they’re finding little toy busses hidden around their house. So that’s the A story. And then Logan continues to get help from Veronica in finding out about this witness who has come forward and said he was the killer on the bridge. And we meet the Fightin’ Fitzpatricks finally. Andthey’re fun. Those scenes are fun. And also, Weevil decides it’s time to continue pursuing Logan, for his involvement. So there’s a lot of good stuff in that episode.”


sunnyfish asks: On Veronica Mars, did Duncan sleep with Kendall, or not?
Kristin_Veitch replies: I really don't think so. That's not his secret.


dubinz asks: hey kristen, i love you. can you please give some info on VM
Kristin_Veitch replies: only cause I love you back. According to Rob, Vinnie Van Lowe (the rival detective) will be back, AND they’re hoping for someone like Evan Rachel Wood or Lindsay Lohan! I’ll let him explain: “In [episode] 9, Trina Echolls mentions that they’re moving forward with The Aaron Echolls Story, TV movie and she claims they’re going after Evan Rachel Wood to play Veronica Mars! But what I’m hoping is that we can get some huge piece of stunt casting and have like Evan Rachel Wood or Lindsay Lohan come in and play?


kkb92 asks: anything about who dies on veronica mars and how
Kristin_Veitch replies: They aren't dying.


tvjunkie1577 asks: When can we expect some LoVe? Soon I hope!
Kristin_Veitch replies: Let's discuss after next week's episode. There are some developments!


drewkim1 asks: *high fives Kristin* Have you heard... The Todd from Scrubs is guest starring on Veronica Mars on December 7th?
Kristin_Veitch replies: SHUT UP. Now THAT is boogie worthy!!


tinyblondeone asks: We - LoVe fans, are getting really frustrated, give us something GOOD, PLEASE!!
Kristin_Veitch replies: Don't worry -- Rob Thomas will.

[LaLa247]

*bump*

From this week's "Ask Ausiello":

Question: Can you give me any good scoop on Veronica Mars? — Jackie

Ausiello: Sure can. The Nov. 30 episode is packed with so many bombshells that the advance screener UPN mailed out to critics was hitched to a disclaimer that went a little something like this: "As a mystery series, there are a couple of reveals in this episode that we would like to keep secret from viewers. In this spirit, we ask that you please not reveal who has been [censored] to the [censored] pole, any [censored] issues, the [censored]'s identity or [censored], the reveal of who [censored] whom to get [censored] in the end, or the episode's final surprise ending." Hey, I just thought of something: You guys have been jonesing for a new AA game, so why don't we see how many [censored]s you can fill in after watching next week's episode. The first person to correctly guess all of 'em wins a cool piece of Mars swag plus a copy of the soundtrack! May the best Martian win!So, someone's getting taped to the flagpole, obviously.

But what's the shocking surprise ending? Does Kendall die? Does Duncan kill her? No, seriously, her role has to amount to SOMETHING.

[v120176]

Here are the caps for the next Episode. CC and AH are announced in the trailer. And there's some sugestive cap for Kendall and Duncan

http://neptunesite.com/mother2.htm
http://neptunesite.com/mother3.htm

Here's CC http://neptunesite.com/mother17.htm
And here's AH http://neptunesite.com/mother18.htm

Also Trina seems to be in a hospital bed?

[LaLa247]

Some stuff from Wrongda:

From crispykid: You have to tell us what was Meg's letter that Duncan read? His dreams were freaking me out!
You will find out in this week's episode--it's part of the big shocker! And it is so crazy, I'm still wondering if they'll go through with it. It also ultimately involves the big spoiler I told you about before this season even started airing.

From laurt56: Thanks for those awesome interviews on the set of VM! Teddy and Jason, your jobs do not suck! Will V. find out soon about Duncan's wandering?
I know. I hate me. And yes. Very soon.So, not much info. Hopefully Veronica will tear Duncan a new one and not avoid it.

Oh, and Jackie is definitely staying on as a regular. Dammit.

Also, does anyone know about CC? Is this week's ep her last episode?

[Andromeda7_4]

I am puzzled about that alternative ending for this week's episode.
Which ending is supposed to be canon?

[Penny Century]

Also, does anyone know about CC? Is this week's ep her last episode?
Didn't Rob Thomas say something recently about an episode in which he's directing her? I think she has at least one more after this week on her six-ep stint.

[cordy 31]

So, Herc already saw "My Mother, the Fiend" and told a few things (http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=21919) about the episode...and there's something really funny...

The big news?We learn which real-life tiny three-named blonde movie star will be playing Veronica in “The Aaron Echolls Story.”
Oh Jeebus...who's is that?Huh?HUH?

[LaLa247]

Didn't Rob Thomas say something recently about an episode in which he's directing her? I think she has at least one more after this week on her six-ep stint.The episode he's directing (and writing) is called "Donut Run", which also involves Lucy Lawless as an FBI agent investigating a kidnapping. Now, if speculation is correct that Duncan goes on the run, and this is CC's last ep- could that Bunny Lebowski reference suddenly make sense? :eyebrow: Oh Jeebus...who's is that?Huh?HUH? According to Rob Thomas, the PtB were trying to get <a hef= "http://www.nndb.com/people/200/000086939/evan-rachel-wood-1-sized.jpg">Evan Rachel Wood</a>. If they did get her, then...whoa.

ETA: The big censored thing from Ask Ausiello has been solved:

Please do not reveal who has been bound to the flag pole, any medical issues, the “prom baby’s” identity or parentage, the reveal of who played whom to get ahead in the end, or the episode’s final surprise ending.

[Kika]

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds26798.html

Two endings have been filmed for this week's episode of UPN's Veronica Mars, it was confirmed today.

An alternate ending to the one that will air on Wednesday will stream for free and on-demand on AOL.com for one week. Fans will then be able to vote for their favourite ending, which will be announced on air during the East Coast airing of the December 7 episode.

The following episode information is provided courtesy of UPN.

Title: My Mother, The Fiend
Synopsis: In this episode, Veronica stumbles on her mother’s high-school records and learns that she was suspended for reasons that cause Veronica to further question everything she knows about her mom. Meanwhile, with production of her "Aaron Echolls Story" TV-movie underway, Trina Echolls (guest star Alyson Hannigan) returns to direct a Neptune High play and takes an immediate dislike to Logan’s new flame Kendall Casablancas (guest star Charisma Carpenter). In the exclusive alternate ending on AOL.com, a familiar character is murdered practically before Veronica's eyes.

[LaLa247]

In the exclusive alternate ending on AOL.com, a familiar character is murdered practically before Veronica's eyes. Meg? Meg's gonna die, isn't she? Duncan's gonna pull the plug, isn't he?! I knew he was batshit crazy.

How the hell does one get murdered "practically" before Veronica's eyes? Someone is either murdered in front of her or not. Which ending is supposed to be canon? What we see in the ep is canon, I suppose. The alt ending is supposed to be a "but what if..." type of thing, maybe?

[Penny Century]

Now, if speculation is correct that Duncan goes on the run, and this is CC's last ep- could that Bunny Lebowski reference suddenly make sense?
I guess. Bear in mind that Thomas apparently is keeping options open to bring CC back for episodes beyond the six for which she's already committed, so maybe she does a Bunny and goes to Vegas for a spell....

[LaLa247]

<a href="http://img256.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hannah1ho.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/6658/hannah1ho.th.jpg" border="0" alt="Free Image Hosting at www.ImageShack.us" /></a>

According to SpoilerFix and IMDb, this is Logan's new girlfriend as of 2.13. Good God, could we try to get a girl who is not blonde on the show? Mac is a rare breed, I think.

[Kika]

Maybe it's just that picture, but she looks ever so young.

[KeyserSoze]

The character is in the 10th grade, so I'm actually glad that they hired someone who actually looks close to that age. I believe the actress is 19.

I think "girlfriend" is a bit of a stretch at this point. She's playing Nip/Schmuck's daughter. His feelings might change later on but it seems like his initial intent is to use her to get to Dr. Griffith.

[Kika]

http://www.eonline.com/Insider/Boards/ann.jspa?annID=314

Hey peeps!

Just heard that Kristin Cavalleri of 'Laguna Beach' will be guest starring on Veronica Mars.
She will be playing a closeted lesbian cheerleader who turns to Veronica when a blackmailer threatens to out her and a number of other gay students at Neptune High.

The episode tapes next week and will air in February. Kristin is also hosting a UPN reality show called "Get the Party Started," so this is something of a crossover.

Thoughts? Concerns? Predictions? Do we likey?

[LaLa247]

Dear Rob Thomas/UPN,

Stop it.

Sincerely, Lara

[Freakface]

Dear Rob Thomas/UPN,

If you want to get better ratings:

Have Kendal in a black latex catsuit.
Have Kendall and Trina together. (if you know what I mean!)
Get Nicky B. in the special guest list and have a true Buffy reunion.


Thanks,
The Freakface

[tojoson]

Dear Rob Thomas/UPN,

If you want to get better ratings:

instead of just having Kendall as eye candy, how about some real acting.....(in a black catsuit)

yours
Tojoson

[LaLa247]

I know I'm probably in the minority here, but I really, really don't want to see more of Kendall unless she has something to do with the big mysteries (which I don't think she does). Really, we're hitting episode eleven with no clue about the bus crash and little about the whole Weevil/Logan/Felix murder/class wars deal.

I honestly prefer the show to center around Veronica and her boys (Wallace, Keith, Weevil, Logan, Duncan), than on the Stunt Casting of the Week. If the actor has something to do with the storyline, fine (Lucy Lawless as an FBI agent investigating a kidnapping having to do with a character, fine; Joey Lauren Adams as a pep squad teacher in a one-shot, okay, I guess). But when they're just hiring random celebrities just to have them on (like this frickin' Laguna Beach chick- you can hire some needy unemployed actor, dammit), meh. It's distracting.

But, really, they have to start working on the storylines before focusing on what actor they can get for this and that episode, because the major storylines are going nowhere. And I blame UPN for that as well.

Now, if Kendall actually knows Aaron Echolls or Jake Kane and are working together to take down Veronica, then, hell, go for it! If she's just running back and forth between Logan and Duncan in tight, skimpy outfits, no thanks. While CC and JD look like they're having a blast in their scenes together, I do wish Kendall had more to do than just vamp. Let's see some smarts behind those hazel eyes.

On a completely unrelated note, I don't understand why the show (like AtS used to) can't just revolve around a bunch of guys and the girl who can hold her own against all of them. Why Jackie, dammit?

/ramble

[Gabriella]

On a completely unrelated note, I don't understand why the show (like AtS used to) can't just revolve around a bunch of guys and the girl who can hold her own against all of them. Why Jackie, dammit?


I guess that was the case until the end of S2 when they brought in Fred. :rolleyes: I used to love the Cordy/Angel/Wes/Gunn dynamic.

[tojoson]

titles of the next 3 episodes of VM after Dunut Run
(probably subject to change)

Rashard and Wallace Go to White Castle
airing: 1/25/2006

Aint No Magic Mountain High Enough
airing: 2/1/2006

Versatile Toppings
airing: 2/8/2006

[LaLa247]

Ep Summary of 2.11 from TVGuide:

Duncan breaks up with Veronica and then disappears with Meg's baby. An FBI officer (Lucy Lawless) is brought in to investigate the kidnapping and she believes Veronica is involved. Meanwhile, Weevil and Logan try to find out which member of Weevil's gang is connected to the Fitzpatricks; Wallace tells Veronica a dark secret about his stay in Chicago and reveals the real reason he returned to Neptune.

And, allegedly, the person playing Aaron Echolls in the tv movie is (according to a summary of the sides for the ep)...Keith Carradine.

[v120176]

Ep Summary of 2.11 from TVGuide:

Duncan breaks up with Veronica and then disappears with Meg's baby. An FBI officer (Lucy Lawless) is brought in to investigate the kidnapping and she believes Veronica is involved. Meanwhile, Weevil and Logan try to find out which member of Weevil's gang is connected to the Fitzpatricks; Wallace tells Veronica a dark secret about his stay in Chicago and reveals the real reason he returned to Neptune.

And, allegedly, the person playing Aaron Echolls in the tv movie is (according to a summary of the sides for the ep)...Keith Carradine.

This episode is the last of the first six CC signed for, right? I know it was posted here that RT said that she already signed for more. I wonder what was going to be Kendall role on this. (I just pray for somenthing good for her, like being a part of a huge conspiration with Logan's father or similar)

So... this is the so called "big surprise and shocking" kidnapting? I think that everything I read talked about Duncan running with the baby. Also, the next episode is the one where a regular is gone forever.....

[LaLa247]

I wonder what was going to be Kendall role on this.Considering we're also finding out what exactly happened between Duncan and Kendall (and RT mentioned a shower scene), I suspect it's a flashback.

Now, maybe someone can answer this: if Duncan is the biological father of Meg's child, and Meg is dead, is it really a kidnapping? He as an adult and the father (considering at this point, all the kids have to be eighteen), not the Mannings, would have custody of the child, right?

[Kika]

I have no legal knowledge, but if Duncan isn't named on the birth certificate (the fact Meg's parents were trying to have the child adopted suggests they were probably going down the "father unknown" route) and the grandparents have physical custody of the child, wouldn't he have to go to court so that he may be declared the legal father? At least, I would have thought so anyway.

On another note, here's hoping this is the end of Donut and Veronica. For good.

[LaLa247]

But couldn't he just demand a paternity test or something? I don't get why he needs to run away, except that he's just over-reacting. Granted, Duncan's heart is likely very much in the right place, but...dude. You're gonna run and have Lucy Lawless chasing you? Just go on Maury.

ETA:On another note, here's hoping this is the end of Donut and Veronica. For good.
On a related note, according to TVGuide, the fortune cookie he gave Veronica read: "True Love Stories Never Have Endings"

...

And now, let's watch as Lara smacks the crap out of Donut...

Honestly, I can't see the romanticism considering Duncan openly went after Veronica, and she eagerly accepted his advances, while she was openly- and to no one's surprise- dating Logan at the time (and Duncan was possibly still dating Meg). I just. Can't. See it. If they had built up to it this season, sure, why not? But for Duncan to make plays at Veronica while she's with someone else? Not romantic.

[Kika]

But couldn't he just demand a paternity test or something? I don't get why he needs to run away, except that he's just over-reacting. Granted, Duncan's heart is likely very much in the right place, but...dude. You're gonna run and have Lucy Lawless chasing you? Just go on Maury.

Absolutely. The sensible thing would be to go to court, asking firstly for a paternity test. Of course, then you could go into the custody proceedings after. However, this is Duncan. He decides to flee with the child. Whatever freakish people the Mannings are, I can't see them abusing a baby. They also can't have the child adopted without his permission. Well, technically they can, but he will have not given up his rights to his child and consequently if an adoption was to go ahead it could be reversed, as has happened in the past. It's not a life or death situation, so running off with the child is a bit dumb.

ETA:
On a related note, according to TVGuide, the fortune cookie he gave Veronica read: "True Love Stories Never Have Endings"

That made her run to him?! Veronica, you disappoint me. Still, at least it's better than "The first time we had sex, I thought I was your brother and left you alone to wake up thinking you'd be raped. Want to try again?" ;)

[Penny Century]

Whatever freakish people the Mannings are, I can't see them abusing a baby.
Bloody hell, I can. And I've just seen them in the one episode.

Guys, I know Duncan is TEH EVOL!!11! and everything he does is suspect, but come on. You're giving Meg's crazy, abusive parents the benefit of the doubt so you don't have to cut "Donut" a fraction of slack? That's just sad.

[Kika]

From what Meg disclosed, it wasn't physical abuse but rather mental and for that reason, I don't think the baby's in imminent danger. In the long run, yes. Meg was rightfully worried about what would happen to her child. But right now, for this short period of time, I personally don't think so.

Whatever criticisms I may have of him, and I'm aware I have many, I do actually think Duncan should raise the child. It's just I tend to think his actions are dumb with a capital D.

[LaLa247]

Guys, I know Duncan is TEH EVOL!!11! and everything he does is suspect, but come on. You're giving Meg's crazy, abusive parents the benefit of the doubt so you don't have to cut "Donut" a fraction of slack? That's just sad.
Not exactly. I never said the Mannings wouldn't abuse the child, nor did I say everything he does is suspect. However, I do think Duncan is/will be overreacting (as he has a tendancy to do, see: the smashing of his car over L/V dating). All the brotha has to do, if he wants the child (and we have nothing indicating otherwise) is demand a paternity test. He's the parent, and the Mannings would have no say, unless they can fully prove Duncan would be an unstable person to raise a child.

And yep, I think the Mannings are crazy, crazy, crazy...which adds on to why Duncan should NOT run away. Are you going to prove their point that you're the wrong person to have a child when you kidnap her?

And this is coming from someone who wouldn't mind if Duncan leaves the show (even though, to be fair, I liked him a lot in S1). I'm actually arguing on behalf of him staying. If I thought he was "TEH EVOL!!11", I would've been the first one holding the door for him. He just makes not so well-thought out decisions (which, really, really explains why him and Logan got along so well- both graduates of the School for Dumb Planning).


And on a more interesting note- Lamb and Lucy Lawless! Lamb and Lucy! (http://neptunesite.com/donutrun5.htm)

ETA: Still, at least it's better than "The first time we had sex, I thought I was your brother and left you alone to wake up thinking you'd be raped. Want to try again?" I'm still partial to "My bad," myself. ;)

[KeyserSoze]

Whatever criticisms I may have of him, and I'm aware I have many, I do actually think Duncan should raise the child. It's just I tend to think his actions are dumb with a capital D.

Pretty much. People might think Duncan is a lame love interest but it doesn't necessarily mean they think he's TEH EVOL!!11!

I think Duncan, as the birth father and equipped with the Kanes' legal team, would be able to get custody of the baby from the Mannings rather easily. They have the Neptune sheriff as a witness to the Mannings' abuse of Grace and Duncan's epilepsy being controlled by medication. Even if the epilepsy was an issue, why wouldn't Jake & Celeste try to get custody of the baby instead? They have an heir to their fortune who is in no way connected to the Mars family. I'd think Celeste would be thrilled.

The fact that they have Duncan resorting to kidnapping all of the sudden is just strange to me.

[LaLa247]

Hells yeah, the Kanes would be more thrilled with Saint Blonde being Duncan's baby momma than Veronica. And I would suspect they would fight to keep the next heir to their fortune (especially considering Duncan wants the child? What Duncan wants, Duncan gets!).

A small article on "Donut Run" (http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/680/680241p1.html) (see, even that ep is calling Duncan "Donut").

The one part that made me laugh:And Logan asks his buddy Dick to help in a scheme to weed out which one of Weevil's P.C.H. Biker Boyz framed him for murder. Dear God, Logan and Weevil are SCREWED. :lol:

[jujube1013]

is it considered kidnapping when it is his baby? the mother is dead. he's the dad, the closest living relative and it's parent.

[LaLa247]

Complete Spoiler for 2.11 -- Donut Run (http://www.livejournal.com/users/_jujubee_/5859.html)

And, yeah, I am officially gagging and throwing things. If I cared more about Duncan or V/D, then fine, but...this? This might actually replace B/A as the 'ship that sucks the hardest.

V/L, you are officially the C/A of VM.

Buuuuuuullshit.

On the bright side, there's a lot of LL and Logan/Weevil. And Wallace. But everything else? This show has really dropped the ball, in a big way. The Veronica from S1 is nowhere in this episode, and that's so very disappointing.

Oh, and you CC fans only need tape the first ten minutes.

[Penny Century]

V/L, you are officially the C/A of VM.
Huh. I thought Veronica/Logan was the Buffy/Spike of VM. Veronica/Percy would be the C/A (i.e., never gonna go there, but really should). Maybe that's just from my non-fan perspective.

[silveragent]

Thanks. That's about the dumbest stuff I've seen for making most of the characters unsympathetic. Gah!

Edited to remove specific spoiler.

[v120176]

Here's the link (TWOP forum) http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3118824&st=4020

Now if someone could make a file compatible with Windows Media I'll be gratefull.

(pssst... just an incentive...... it's the CC's shower scene.... Would you convert the file ;) )

[LaLa247]

You can view the opening scene in .wmv here (http://users.livejournal.com/naty_/).

[v120176]

You can view the opening scene in .wmv here (http://users.livejournal.com/naty_/).

Thank you, Lala. But I only found the preview. According to the TWOP people, the link I post has the entire first scene. Someone said that CC's face at Logan comments was hilarious. So seems that this file is the teaser and not the preview.

[Freakface]

Mmmmm...... wet Charisma in a bathrobe.... :mush: :love:

[LaLa247]

So seems that this file is the teaser and not the preview.
Dude, it's the cold open (.rm and .mpg) right below the teaser. It's there.

And yes, Logan wins at life again for his "Hi, ho" but Veronica catches up with her "Sleazy" to his "Mopey." Banter! Oh, the banter!

And CC fans, that appears to be it. What's in the cold open is her one and only scene.

[v120176]

Dude, it's the cold open (.rm and .mpg) right below the teaser. It's there.

And yes, Logan wins at life again for his "Hi, ho" but Veronica catches up with her "Sleazy" to his "Mopey." Banter! Oh, the banter!

And CC fans, that appears to be it. What's in the cold open is her one and only scene.

Ejemm...., I didn't see it...... My half brain is working at its 15% of capacity.
Thanks!!

[LaLa247]

CC will be appearing in episodes 2.14 (Versatile Toppings) and 2.15 (The Quick and the Wed), presumably continuing the "Kendall runs Beaver's company" thing.

[v120176]

CC will be appearing in episodes 2.14 (Versatile Toppings) and 2.15 (The Quick and the Wed), presumably continuing the "Kendall runs Beaver's company" thing.

Thanks for the info.... are there any new spoilers for these episodes?

I really want more for Kendall. I mean, I want to think that the introduction of that character it's for more than have a naked babe on the show. Even if that could help with the rating, I want to think that RT has more intelligence to write the necesary "sex bomb" as something more .
I keep reading at TWOP forum at the "speculation without spoilers" that they think Kendall is there for some conspiration with Big Dick or other and that her function is way more deep that what we saw, I mean what WE ALL HERE WANT.... But every time I read the spoilers I'm dissapointed :(

I still have some faith..... not too much but a little (but that's more than what I had in ATS 4)

[Penny Century]

I keep reading at TWOP forum at the "speculation without spoilers" that they think Kendall is there for some conspiration with Big Dick or other and that her function is way more deep that what we saw, I mean what WE ALL HERE WANT.... But every time I read the spoilers I'm dissapointed :(
I'm interested in seeing how her business partnership with Cassidy pans out. She'll either rip him off or turn out to be capable of holding an actual job after all.

And I still think the better and more natural story -- although not necessarily the one the writers will pursue -- would be for Kendall and Cassidy, who really don't like each other, to have to put aside their mutual contempt to deal with some disruption from Little Dick, who's leaning on both of them.

For what it's worth, it also would be a few more pounds on the ol' CLASS WARFAREZ!!11! anvil if Big Dick sets up Kendall to take the fall for his criminal behavior. No one cares if the penniless bimbo who didn't actually commit real estate fraud goes to jail as long as the sleazebag who's nevertheless One Of Us skates. (I mean, there's only so far you can torture the Bunny Lebowski angle. Bunny Lebowski was a largely offscreen cipher who turned out to be a red herring. You can do that in a two-hour movie. In a 22-hour TV season, not so much.) Maybe Cassidy's company will have something to do with it.

[v120176]

From Ausiello: http://www.tvguide.com/news/askausiello/

Ausiello: I actually have some major Mars prattle — and it concerns the show's third season. At press tour, Rob Thomas told me exclusively (at least I think it was exclusive) that not only does he already have next season's overriding mystery figured out, but he's introducing it (wait for it… wait for it) this season! "We know what we want to do next year as our big 'Who Killed Lily Kane/Who sent the bus off the cliff?' mystery," he says. "In fact, we're going to hint at it in an episode this year." Rob adds that the story will have a "completely different" flavor than the two previous mysteries. "There will be a criminal at play rather than a crime that happened that we're trying to solve. It'll be a crime that is ongoing, so it'll have a sense of urgency." (POSSIBLE SPOILER: Episode 16 is titled "The Rapes of Graff" and finds Veronica tracking down a serial rapist at Hearst College — the very school she'll likely be attending next fall. I'm told Veronica does not catch the perp by the episode's conclusion. You do the math.)


Ausiello: Episode 16 also includes a funny little riff on Kristen Bell's Emmy snub last year and the departure of a recurring character.

Do you know how many episodes CC signed for? Because that could be Kendall :(

[KeyserSoze]

From Ausiello: http://www.tvguide.com/news/askausiello/

Do you know how many episodes CC signed for? Because that could be Kendall :(

It could be Kendall but it also seems to be describing Hannah. I'm not sure. I'd be surprised if they wrote Kendall out definitively in 16. She seems like a character they want to have lurking around for the rest of the season with the possibility of stirring things up, even if she isn't onscreen in every episode.

[LaLa247]

I wouldn't be surprised if Kendall continues to be recurring in S3...and a victim of the serial rapist, if that's the angle they're going for, which, surprisingly, could make for good viewing.

Hannah's definitely the character that's going, I can't see that storyline going on the rest of the season.

ETA: AICN's review of "Donut Run" (http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=22281)

[Andromeda7_4]

I'm wondering if Kendall won't be responsible for the bus crash after all?

I'm thinking about Daddy Casablancas taking out the huge insurance policy on his sons right when he married Kendall! Dick and Beaver are now worth more dead than alive, so...Cui bono?

[Penny Century]

I'm wondering if Kendall won't be responsible for the bus crash after all?

I'm thinking about Daddy Casablancas taking out the huge insurance policy on his sons right when he married Kendall! Dick and Beaver are now worth more dead than alive, so...Cui bono?

Wouldn't Big Dick or their biological mother be the more likely beneficiaries? Maybe it was one of them.

[LaLa247]

We got new sides, and boy, they are filled with info!

Kendall may very well be behind the crash, considering Big Dick did take that life insurance policies out on his sons three days after he married Kendall (according to the new 2.18 sides). His sons are worth more dead than they are alive (and had they stayed on the bus, and Beav hadn't revealed his dad's misdeeds, he- and Kendall?- would've likely gotten the money).

Other rich kids that were supposed to be on the bus were Duncan, Gia, Logan (obviously, he skipped the trip and was with Kendall), and Meg. Only Meg stayed on.

Other info learned in the new sides:

-- Veronica isn't sleeping well at all, and is having nightmares or at least Twin Peaks-type dreams about the bus crash. In one, she is drawing tombstones, weeping as Meg holds a Baby-Think-It-Over and chants "I have important information".

-- At one point in V's dream, Meg's baby disappears, and she freaks out, screaming "Why aren't you helping me?!"

-- She also appears to be seeing things, thinking her dad is at her school (although the sides make it clear that she's not sure).

-- Veronica is going to Stanford, and some other chick named Angie is going with her, under questionable means.

-- There is a girl, Betina (Have Not?) who Dick was seeing on the sly. She was in love with him and was trying to become pregnant by him.

-- Angie makes a "slut" comment about Veronica, and neither Wallace or Logan find it particularly amusing (meaning Logan and V are on friendly terms?).

-- Angie also insures Dick goes to summer school, to which Logan congratulates her for filling Stanford's bitch quota. She tells Logan to enjoy trade school, and he is pissed.

-- Speaking of, Wallace and Logan are partners for that stupid egg breaking thing that everyone does in school. They seem to fail the project the first time, to which Wallace pushes forward, and Logan follows. He also repeats Dick's line in last week's episode of "What's time to a hog?"

-- Wallace also gets coffee-crazy, forcing Logan to step in. Weevil, Logan, and Wallace- I can stand by this new boys club.

-- Keith goes on a bunch of amusing blind dates, finally meeting up with a doctor's assistant...is she Nip/Schmuck's assistant? Are the bus crash and the Felix murder connected?

-- Mr. Wu is back, bitches! And still awesome.

-- All the families that had children killed in the crash only had enough insurance money to pay for the funerals. Obviously, the 09ers had bigger insurance claims...

-- We finally meet Cervando. Dick ruined his jeans during summer school, so Cervando took it out on poor Beaver.

-- In one of Veronica's dreams, Cervando implies that Weevil might be behind the crash (?!), asking what exactly was he doing so close to the crash site that day.

-- Cervando also tells V that the bomb killed no one but the driver, it was the fall that killed the kids and the teacher. Except Cervando. He survived the crash but drowned.

-- We have a flashback of L/V's summer together. They're making out in his car, only to be interrupted by Dick and their buddy, Lucky. Veronica is less than pleased, and so is Logan, requesting five more minutes (like in 2.1). Veronica doesn't seem to mind Logan's involvement in the war against the PCHers, but does seem to mind him calling her "loose" (he doesn't, he tells Dick he needs to finish tying loose ends).

-- Speaking of Lucky, Meg knew him, and Lucky gets bent out of shape when V mentions that Meg always thought he was a sweetie. Hmmmmm.

-- When Wallace dies, he wants V to get him a spread in "Vibe" magazine. V informs him he's not allowed to die.



That's all. It looks to be good and big. Everything's coming together, and "hell yeah!" if Kendall's the big villian. She had me fooled.

[LaLa247]

*bump*

Speaking of Kendall...from tvguide, 2.15 "The Quick and the Wed":

Veronica searches for a friend's missing sister who disappeared shortly after attending a bachelorette party and is supposed to get married in three days; Keith tells Sheriff Lamb that Veronica found explosives in the hangar where Terrance keeps his cars; Logan is offered a plea bargain that would drastically reduce his time in prison; Kendall visits Aaron Echolls in prison and Echolls blames Lilly Kane's death on Duncan. ETA: Way, waaaay back on page seven: ETA: Kendall wants Veronica dead? But why? Did she have a thing with Aaron "Psycho Killa" Echolls? I don't see the connection. Hee. HEE. :grin:

[LaLa247]

*bump*

From this week's Ask Ausiello column:Veronica Mars
The buzz: The March 29 episode will mark the end of the road for someone in Neptune, although this person will not be carted away in a body bag. Instead, he/she will be forced out of town. Also, the character is recurring and, according to sources, probably not one fans will miss too much.

The lowdown: Someone we won't miss? Ladies and gentleman, I give you Jackie Cook! There's just one problem — my spies tell me she's not the one going. At least not in this particular episode.

[Andromeda7_4]

At first I was convinced the person leaving was Hannah; but I don't think she is really that important to the plot. Does she even qualify as a recurring character if she's only in 4 episodes? I guess she does, but she is too obvious.
So I'm thinking it will be Kendall.

[v120176]

At first I was convinced the person leaving was Hannah; but I don't think she is really that important to the plot. Does she even qualify as a recurring character if she's only in 4 episodes? I guess she does, but she is too obvious.
So I'm thinking it will be Kendall.

You're probably right, but didn't said RT at the UPN talk show that CC was going to do several more appeareances? (I don't have that program installed so I couldn't watch the video, but that's what I read in other places)
Also it's not like Kendall is not liked, the fans seem very interested in what she will do with Aaron... And even if the part it's not great, she got a good reception, so it's not like she's at Jackie level of dislike...

[KeyserSoze]

If Kendall's being mentioned in 2x18, I think it's unlikely she'd be forced out of Neptune in the March 29th ep. I think she's got to show up in 2x18-2x22 somewhere.

[LaLa247]

From the Futon Critic:

"The Quick and the Wed"-- Wallace's new girlfriend Jane enlists Veronica's help when her older sister Heidi appears to be a "runaway bride," but the clues suggest something possibly more disturbing happened on the way to the altar, on VERONICA MARS, Wednesday, March 22 (9:00-10:00 PM, ET/PT) on UPN. Rick Rosenthal directed the episode from a script written by John J. Serge.

Meanwhile, Keith and Veronica decide that they have no choice but to go to Sheriff Lamb (guest star Michael Muhney) with the evidence they've uncovered about the bus crash. Later, Kendall (guest star Charisma Carpenter) has a tempting offer for Logan's imprisoned father Aaron Echolls (guest star Harry Hamlin). Two interesting things: 1. It looks like Kendall just may be more than your average gold digger, 2. Teddy Dunn is no longer on the official cast list, although he has one more ep this season.

[Shadow4Corangela]

Later, Kendall (guest star Charisma Carpenter) has a tempting offer for Logan's imprisoned father Aaron Echolls (guest star Harry Hamlin).
Squee!

[Penny Century]

It looks like Kendall just may be more than your average gold digger
Eh. Like any gold digger, Kendall is an opportunist. I'm guessing she wants to sell Psycho Senior some information about Psycho Junior. Or, you know, get him to pay her for getting out of Whozit's life. Something along those lines. I'll say only this, that if they parlay this into Kendall being some kind of Mastermind -- in the absence of any evidence whatsoever up to this point -- it'll be the second-biggest CC-related What the Fudge in history.

[LaLa247]

I'll say only this, that if they parlay this into Kendall being some kind of Mastermind -- in the absence of any evidence whatsoever up to this point -- it'll be the second-biggest CC-related What the Fudge in history.I will only say that last year, we got no real hint that Aaron was Lilly's killer until halfway through the season finale (simply because he was only used sporadically, and in quite creepy ways throughout the season). It was kind of a big "WTF?!" that totally worked (and managed to make me need a shower every time I saw Harry Hamlin on tv).

I could maybe buy Kendall as an accomplice in this crime. Maybe. If they do it right.

There is already confirmation (http://magnolia888.livejournal.com/14604.html) that CC will not be returning for S3 (although RT hasn't completely ruled her out). And we know both K-Bell and JD already know who the big bad is (and I'm guessing that rules out Logan as the BB), and JD was shocked, simply shocked!, by who it was. It could very well be Kendall.

[Penny Century]

And we know both K-Bell and JD already know who the big bad is (and I'm guessing that rules out Logan as the BB), and JD was shocked, simply shocked!, by who it was. It could very well be Kendall.
Oh, I'm sure it very well could be, but also that it wouldn't make any sense. But then I freely admit I Don't Get It where this show is concerned. If it keeps the fans happy, I guess.

I guess I could see where Kendall might become a bad for the season -- supposing she had all she could take from My Little Lowlife and just snapped somehow. Now that I'd pay to see. Snap, Kendall, snap!!...

[Raphaelle]

I bet on Cassidy!

Looks so innocent and sad.
The less suspicious is the bad one.At least if you're an Agatha Christie fan.

Or Dick,the "uncomplicated" guy?

[Raphaelle]

Oups,most of the sentence didn't show.Sorry!

The guy who seems the less likely to be the big bad...Hence Cassidy.

[Andromeda7_4]

I bet on Cassidy!

Looks so innocent and sad.
The less suspicious is the bad one.At least if you're an Agatha Christie fan.

Or Dick,the "uncomplicated" guy?

But there are people less likely than either Cassidy or Dick- what about Mac, for instance?

[v120176]

The sides for episode 20 are up. One poster at LoVe Shack said that one side says that a girl will get some bad news at the doctor office. Another one said that the name of the girl (it says "Jennifer") is clearly changed on the side, so the speculations started and somehow it ended with a STD....
Also, seems that the name under "jennifer" is not very long, so maybe if it's not Veronica, maybe could be Kendall... and that has sense if the speculations, that also are in another forums too, about a STD are true. Or maybe if it's Veronica she caught something from Duncan and we found that he did it with Kendall...

[LaLa247]

It's definitely Veronica who appears to be diagnosed with chlamydia. If there was any doubt, "Jennifer" claims that there was only one boy, and they were "safe".

[LaLa247]

*bump*

The last three episodes of the season are titled...

Episode 2.20: Look Who's Stalking Now
Episode 2.21: Happy Go Lucky
Episode 2.22: Not Pictured (Season finale)

Back to the Veronica gets an STD thing, I get the feeling they're gonna pull some shit where Meg (who, it turns out, wasn't, in fact, innocent at all) gave Duncan the STD, who unknowingly gave it to V. Thus, saving the "Duncan is PURE!!1!" crap, and destroying Meg just a little bit more. Poor sweet, innocent, Bible-thumpin' Meg.

[Andromeda7_4]

Back to the Veronica gets an STD thing, I get the feeling they're gonna pull some shit where Meg (who, it turns out, wasn't, in fact, innocent at all) gave Duncan the STD, who unknowingly gave it to V.


I don't think there's any STD at all; I think it's a set-up where some crooked doctor falsely diagnoses attractive girls for his own purposes....something like that, anyway.
And Veronica is there to get evidence.

[LaLa247]

Jason Dohring talks to Zap2It (http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-jasondohringveronicamars,0,4705290.story?coll=zap-tv-headlines), and once again, he loves to curse: Dohring says he went through some tough emotional times himself earlier in the season with the departure of co-star Teddy Dunn, who played Logan's best friend, Duncan Kane. Dunn was signed for only 12 episodes this season.

"When I first heard that news, I was f***ing crushed," Dohring says. "It really just hit me like nothing ever quite hit me before. We were all kind of just-starting-out actors and went on this whole experience together."
The way he and K-Bell are talking about who the big bad is (apparently, only the writers, RT, K-Bell, and JD know), it BETTER be good. It better fucking be Kendall and Beaver, dammit.

Meanwhile, RT talks to TVGuide (http://www.tvguide.com/News/Insider/). We finally get an answer as to WHY exactly it was illegal for Duncan to take his own child: Question: Why was it illegal for Duncan to run off with the baby? Considering that the mother is dead and he is the father, doesn't that give him automatic custody? — Beth
Thomas: We did quite a bit of research on this. It's likely that Duncan would have eventually gained custody of his daughter, but it's a process that could've taken many years, and Duncan wasn't prepared to allow the Mannings to raise his child for that long. With Duncan's mental-health problems and documented instances of violence, the Mannings could've stalled the process for a long, long time. We should've spent a little more time laying that explanation out for the audience.

[LaLa247]

*bump*

From the new Ask Ausiello column:

Question: Since Veronica Mars is returning with its first of nine final episodes tonight, surely you have some great tidbits about what's coming up? — Abby

Ausiello: You mean in addition to my March 22 cameo? Let's see, Kendall (Charisma Carpenter) will find her way back into Logan's shower, but her motives this time around are very different. Also, Logan turns to Veronica (of all people) for help when he runs into trouble with his new squeeze, Hannah.

[Andromeda7_4]

I can't help thinking that the woman who handcuffs Cliff to the hotel bed and steals his briefcase (with Logan's files) will turn out to be Kendall!
I could see her posing as a hooker- and I don't believe Cliff has met her before so she could easily get away with it.

Maybe that is connected with how she gets back in Logan's shower?
But does this mean Kendall and Aaron are in a conspiracy to somehow extort $$$ from Logan? Or implicate him? What would be her motivation?

[tojoson]

posted at AICN

buried at the bottom of Variety’s Thursday piece on The CW’s name-recognition:

While the CW hasn't officially announced any new pickups, the network did pass out materials that listed shows such as "Veronica Mars," "One Tree Hill," "Supernatural," "Gilmore Girls," "Everwood," "Reba" and "Everybody Hates Chris" as dramas and comedies "returning 2006-2007."
!

[v120176]

Screencaps with CC from the trailer of "The quick and the Wed"

http://www3.neptunesite.com/quickcaps21.htm
http://www3.neptunesite.com/quickcaps23.htm

[Mr.Brightside]

Screencaps with CC from the trailer of "The quick and the Wed"

http://www3.neptunesite.com/quickcaps21.htm
http://www3.neptunesite.com/quickcaps23.htm

Nice! Looking very sexy in that Leopard outfit :naughty:

[Andromeda7_4]

Anyone know if they will rerun this latest episode, or where to find it online?
For me, it got preempted (basketball). Grr Arrgh!

[tojoson]

they usually rerun the episodes on Sunday early evening, and lately, they have also been reruning them on Tuesday in VM's usual timeslot

[Freakface]

Anyone know if they will rerun this latest episode, or where to find it online?
For me, it got preempted (basketball). Grr Arrgh!
But you didn't check the TV Guide, because it aired at 11:30... :iamsmilin

[v120176]

UPN is changing VM to tuesday 9 pm, like the original timeslot from the first season.
http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-veronicamarsmovestotuesday,0,6046009.story?coll=za p-tv-headlines


UPN is sending "Veronica Mars" back to her old home for its final episodes this season, which may be both good and bad news for the series.

Starting April 11, "Veronica" will air at 9 p.m. ET Tuesdays -- the same timeslot it held last season. Repeats are scheduled to air on Wednesdays for at least two weeks following the change; plans for after that "will be announced shortly," the network says. The show will remain in its current Wednesday home until then.

With the move, "Veronica Mars" will lose its strong lead-in, "America's Next Top Model," which helped boost the critically loved high-school noir's ratings in the fall. "Veronica's" ratings have suffered in recent airings, however, partly due to the absence of "Top Model" and partly due to the return of "American Idol." For the season, it's averaging about 2.4 million viewers per week, just about even with its numbers this time last year

Yeah so it will go against House (that also share audience)
One of the bigger problems was FOX's affiliates putting UPN shows on hiatus for sports or whatever they aired. It became a game: "when will be aired VM?"

[LaLa247]

Charisma/Kendall WILL be in the final ep of S2, "Not Pictured." And it looks like she's gonna be in for a major payday. Or, y'know...not.

Read if you must. (http://nowcasting.com/sides/Episodic/VERONICA%20MARS%20-%20Los%20Angeles%20Casting/222%20Not%20Pictured/Lawyer_1pg.pdf)

With that said- Cassidy, NOOOOO!

[Andromeda7_4]

But you didn't check the TV Guide, because it aired at 11:30... :iamsmilin


My TV Guide said it would air 10:30; when it didn't, I just gave up.
Guess I should have waited....

[jujube1013]

is Charisma in this ep?

[mef2101]

is Charisma in this ep?

Not this week.

[jujube1013]

thanks. did anyone watch this ep?

[LaLa247]

Nope, it was kicked off in favor of basketball in my part of Florida. I'm actually two eps behind, so dammit, I'm lost.

[Shadow4Corangela]

All I have to say is sneaky, sneaky Kendall. :devil: